At age sixteen I began what would be a four year struggle with bulimia. When the symptoms started, I turned in desperation to adults who knew more than I did about how to stop shameful behavior—my Bible study leader and a visiting youth minister. “If you ask anything in faith, believing,” they said. “It will be done.” I knew they were quoting the Word of God. We prayed together, and I went home confident that God had heard my prayers.
But my horrible compulsions didn’t go away. By the fall of my sophomore year in college, I was desperate and depressed enough that I made a suicide attempt. The problem wasn’t just the bulimia. I was convinced by then that I was a complete spiritual failure. My college counseling department had offered to get me real help (which they later did). But to my mind, at that point, such help couldn’t fix the core problem: I was a failure in the eyes of God. It would be years before I understood that my inability to heal bulimia through the mechanisms offered by biblical Christianity was not a function of my own spiritual deficiency but deficiencies in Evangelical religion itself.
Dr. Marlene Winell is a human development consultant in the San Francisco Area. She is also the daughter of Pentecostal missionaries. This combination has given her work an unusual focus. For the past twenty years she has counseled men and women in recovery from various forms of fundamentalist religion including the Assemblies of God denomination in which she was raised. Winell is the author of Leaving the Fold – A Guide for Former Fundamentalists and Others Leaving their Religion, written during her years of private practice in psychology. Over the years, Winell has provided assistance to clients whose religious experiences were even more damaging than mine. Some of them are people whose psychological symptoms weren’t just exacerbated by their religion, but actually caused by it.
Two years ago, Winell made waves by formally labeling what she calls “Religious Trauma Syndrome” (RTS) and beginning to write and speak on the subject for professional audiences. When the British Association of Behavioral and Cognitive Psychologists published a series of articles on the topic, members of a Christian counseling association protested what they called excessive attention to a “relatively niche topic.” One commenter said, “A religion, faith or book cannot be abuse but the people interpreting can make anything abusive.”
Is toxic religion simply misinterpretation? What is religious trauma? Why does Winell believe religious trauma merits its own diagnostic label? I asked her.
Let’s start this interview with the basics. What exactly is religious trauma syndrome?
Winell: Religious trauma syndrome (RTS) is a set of symptoms and characteristics that tend to go together and which are related to harmful experiences with religion. They are the result of two things: immersion in a controlling religion and the secondary impact of leaving a religious group. The RTS label provides a name and description that affected people often recognize immediately. Many other people are surprised by the idea of RTS, because in our culture it is generally assumed that religion is benign or good for you. Just like telling kids about Santa Claus and letting them work out their beliefs later, people see no harm in teaching religion to children.
But in reality, religious teachings and practices sometimes cause serious mental health damage. The public is somewhat familiar with sexual and physical abuse in a religious context. As Journalist Janet Heimlich has documented in, Breaking Their Will, Bible-based religious groups that emphasize patriarchal authority in family structure and use harsh parenting methods can be destructive.
But the problem isn’t just physical and sexual abuse. Emotional and mental treatment in authoritarian religious groups also can be damaging because of 1) toxic teachings like eternal damnation or original sin 2) religious practices or mindset, such as punishment, black and white thinking, or sexual guilt, and 3) neglect that prevents a person from having the information or opportunities to develop normally.
Can you give me an example of RTS from your consulting practice?
Winell: I can give you many. One of the symptom clusters is around fear and anxiety. People indoctrinated into fundamentalist Christianity as small children sometimes have memories of being terrified by images of hell and apocalypse before their brains could begin to make sense of such ideas. Some survivors, who I prefer to call “reclaimers,” have flashbacks, panic attacks, or nightmares in adulthood even when they intellectually no longer believe the theology. One client of mine, who during the day functioned well as a professional, struggled with intense fear many nights. She said,
I was afraid I was going to hell. I was afraid I was doing something really wrong. I was completely out of control. I sometimes would wake up in the night and start screaming, thrashing my arms, trying to rid myself of what I was feeling. I’d walk around the house trying to think and calm myself down, in the middle of the night, trying to do some self-talk, but I felt like it was just something that – the fear and anxiety was taking over my life.
Or consider this comment, which refers to a film used by Evangelicals to warn about the horrors of the “end times” for nonbelievers.
I was taken to see the film “A Thief In The Night”. WOW. I am in shock to learn that many other people suffered the same traumas I lived with because of this film. A few days or weeks after the film viewing, I came into the house and mom wasn’t there. I stood there screaming in terror. When I stopped screaming, I began making my plan: Who my Christian neighbors were, who’s house to break into to get money and food. I was 12 yrs old and was preparing for Armageddon alone.
In addition to anxiety, RTS can include depression, cognitive difficulties, and problems with social functioning. In fundamentalist Christianity, the individual is considered depraved and in need of salvation. A core message is “You are bad and wrong and deserve to die.” (The wages of sin is death.) This gets taught to millions of children through organizations like Child Evangelism Fellowship, and there is a group organized to oppose their incursion into public schools. I’ve had clients who remember being distraught when given a vivid bloody image of Jesus paying the ultimate price for their sins. Decades later they sit telling me that they can’t manage to find any self-worth.
After twenty-seven years of trying to live a perfect life, I failed. . . I was ashamed of myself all day long. My mind battling with itself with no relief. . . I always believed everything that I was taught but I thought that I was not approved by God. I thought that basically I, too, would die at Armageddon.
I’ve spent literally years injuring myself, cutting and burning my arms, taking overdoses and starving myself, to punish myself so that God doesn’t have to punish me. It’s taken me years to feel deserving of anything good.
Born-again Christianity and devout Catholicism tell people they are weak and dependent, calling on phrases like “lean not unto your own understanding” or “trust and obey.” People who internalize these messages can suffer from learned helplessness. I’ll give you an example from a client who had little decision-making ability after living his entire life devoted to following the “will of God.” The words here don’t convey the depth of his despair.
I have an awful time making decisions in general. Like I can’t, you know, wake up in the morning, “What am I going to do today? Like I don’t even know where to start. You know all the things I thought I might be doing are gone and I’m not sure I should even try to have a career; essentially I babysit my four-year-old all day.
Authoritarian religious groups are subcultures where conformity is required in order to belong. Thus if you dare to leave the religion, you risk losing your entire support system as well.
I lost all my friends. I lost my close ties to family. Now I’m losing my country. I’ve lost so much because of this malignant religion and I am angry and sad to my very core. . . I have tried hard to make new friends, but I have failed miserably. . . I am very lonely.
Leaving a religion, after total immersion, can cause a complete upheaval of a person’s construction of reality, including the self, other people, life, and the future. People unfamiliar with this situation, including therapists, have trouble appreciating the sheer terror it can create.
My form of religion was very strongly entrenched and anchored deeply in my heart. It is hard to describe how fully my religion informed, infused, and influenced my entire worldview. My first steps out of fundamentalism were profoundly frightening and I had frequent thoughts of suicide. Now I’m way past that but I still haven’t quite found “my place in the universe.
Even for a person who was not so entrenched, leaving one’s religion can be a stressful and significant transition.
Many people seem to walk away from their religion easily, without really looking back. What is different about the clientele you work with?
Winell: Religious groups that are highly controlling, teach fear about the world, and keep members sheltered and ill-equipped to function in society are harder to leave easily. The difficulty seems to be greater if the person was born and raised in the religion rather than joining as an adult convert. This is because they have no frame of reference – no other “self” or way of “being in the world.” A common personality type is a person who is deeply emotional and thoughtful and who tends to throw themselves wholeheartedly into their endeavors. “True believers” who then lose their faith feel more anger and depression and grief than those who simply went to church on Sunday.
Aren’t these just people who would be depressed, anxious, or obsessive anyways?
Winell: Not at all. If my observation is correct, these are people who are intense and involved and caring. They hang on to the religion longer than those who simply “walk away” because they try to make it work even when they have doubts. Sometime this is out of fear, but often it is out of devotion. These are people for whom ethics, integrity and compassion matter a great deal. I find that when they get better and rebuild their lives, they are wonderfully creative and energetic about new things.
In your mind, how is RTS different from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Winell: RTS is a specific set of symptoms and characteristics that are connected with harmful religious experience, not just any trauma. This is crucial to understanding the condition and any kind of self-help or treatment. (More details about this can be found on my Journey Free website and discussed in my talk at the Texas Freethought Convention.)
Another difference is the social context, which is extremely different from other traumas or forms of abuse. When someone is recovering from domestic abuse, for example, other people understand and support the need to leave and recover. They don’t question it as a matter of interpretation, and they don’t send the person back for more. But this is exactly what happens to many former believers who seek counseling. If a provider doesn’t understand the source of the symptoms, he or she may send a client for pastoral counseling, or to AA, or even to another church. One reclaimer expressed her frustration this way:
Include physically-abusive parents who quote “Spare the rod and spoil the child” as literally as you can imagine and you have one fucked-up soul: an unloved, rejected, traumatized toddler in the body of an adult. I’m simply a broken spirit in an empty shell. But wait…That’s not enough!? There’s also the expectation by everyone in society that we victims should celebrate this with our perpetrators every Christmas and Easter!!
Just like disorders such as autism or bulimia, giving RTS a real name has important advantages. People who are suffering find that having a label for their experience helps them feel less alone and guilty. Some have written to me to express their relief:
There’s actually a name for it! I was brainwashed from birth and wasted 25 years of my life serving Him! I’ve since been out of my religion for several years now, but i cannot shake the haunting fear of hell and feel absolutely doomed. I’m now socially inept, unemployable, and the only way i can have sex is to pay for it.
Labeling RTS encourages professionals to study it more carefully, develop treatments, and offer training. Hopefully, we can even work on prevention.
What do you see as the difference between religion that causes trauma and religion that doesn’t?
Winell: Religion causes trauma when it is highly controlling and prevents people from thinking for themselves and trusting their own feelings. Groups that demand obedience and conformity produce fear, not love and growth. With constant judgment of self and others, people become alienated from themselves, each other, and the world. Religion in its worst forms causes separation.
Conversely, groups that connect people and promote self-knowledge and personal growth can be said to be healthy. The book, Healthy Religion, describes these traits. Such groups put high value on respecting differences, and members feel empowered as individuals. They provide social support, a place for events and rites of passage, exchange of ideas, inspiration, opportunities for service, and connection to social causes. They encourage spiritual practices that promote health like meditation or principles for living like the golden rule. More and more, nontheists are asking how they can create similar spiritual communities without the supernaturalism. An atheist congregation in London launched this year and has received over 200 inquiries from people wanting to replicate their model.
Some people say that terms like “recovery from religion” and “religious trauma syndrome” are just atheist attempts to pathologize religious belief.
Winell: Mental health professionals have enough to do without going out looking for new pathology. I never set out looking for a “niche topic,” and certainly not religious trauma syndrome. I originally wrote a paper for a conference of the American Psychological Association and thought that would be the end of it. Since then, I have tried to move on to other things several times, but this work has simply grown.
In my opinion, we are simply, as a culture, becoming aware of religious trauma. More and more people are leaving religion, as seen by polls showing that the “religiously unaffiliated” have increased in the last five years from just over 15% to just under 20% of all U.S. adults. It’s no wonder the internet is exploding with websites for former believers from all religions, providing forums for people to support each other. The huge population of people “leaving the fold” includes a subset at risk for RTS, and more people are talking about it and seeking help. For example, there are thousands of former Mormons, and I was asked to speak about RTS at an Exmormon Foundation conference. I facilitate an international support group online called Release and Reclaim which has monthly conference calls. An organization called Recovery from Religion, helps people start self-help meet-up groups
Saying that someone is trying to pathologize authoritarian religion is like saying someone pathologized eating disorders by naming them. Before that, they were healthy? No, before that we weren’t noticing. People were suffering, thought they were alone, and blamed themselves. Professionals had no awareness or training. This is the situation of RTS today. Authoritarian religion is already pathological, and leaving a high-control group can be traumatic. People are already suffering. They need to be recognized and helped.
—- Dr. Marlene Winell is a human development consultant in the San Francisco Bay Area and the author of Leaving the Fold – A Guide for Former Fundamentalists and Others Leaving their Religion. More information about Marlene Winell and resources for getting help with RTS may be found at Journey Free. Valerie Tarico is a psychologist and writer in Seattle, Washington. She is the author of Trusting Doubt: A Former Evangelical Looks at Old Beliefs in a New Light and Deas and Other Imaginings, and the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org. Her articles can be found at Awaypoint.Wordpress.com.
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Recovering from Religion? Give Yourself Time
Psychological Harms of Bible-Believing Christianity
From AwayPoint on Youtube: How Beliefs Change
The Fragile Boundary Between Religion and Child Abuse
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The Protestant Clergy Sex Abuse Pattern
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The best advice or philosophy of living is to give up any and all supernatural beliefs and endorse science and rationality. Some would say morals come to us through religion. I say poppycock! Dame Jane Goodall, George Schaller and Frans de Waal ALL have evidence PROVING that altruism evolved in the animal kingdom long before mankind or ANY religions existed. Religion only knows retreat, as science advances. Failed televangelists, burning of “heretics” and witches at the stake, defrocked priests, pedophilia scandals and an ever increasing exodus FROM religion in our 21st century, all spell doom for the gullible, indoctrinated folks who cling to outmoded supernatural beliefs. True happiness comes from a thorough understanding of man’s real place in nature through scientific knowledge and reasoning.
Look up the “Flying Spaghetti Monster” on wikipedia to see religious sarcasm at its best.
Then Google “the Clergy Project” to see how countless pastors, priests, imams, rabbis and ministers have recanted their religion and turned instead to reality, i.e. science!
Religions are so paranoid, they put Galileo under house arrest, trying to get him to recant reality! They’re still doing similarly incomprehensible and reprehensible acts to this day.
There is ZERO place in the 21st century for those who thump their Bibles and state that “you cannot escape GOD!” That is their personal shortfall, an outmoded belief system, steeped in ancient myths and too long-held coercion and brainwashing that rules their gullible minds. Want a genuinely majestic and real view of man’s true place in nature? Cast off your lifelong indoctrination from “those religious folks” and read Dr. Carl Sagan’s “Pale Blue Dot” for a rational, scientific and beautifully poetic orientation to the marvels and truths of the scientific, yes EVOLUTIONARY development of mankind.
Look up “List of Deities” on wikipedia to see THOUSANDS of former gods, idols, talismans and other “supernatural” entities that are no longer worshiped and have been cast into the dustbin of history, myth and fable. I believe in one less “god” than you do… YOURS! When one frees their mind of such false idols and the Dark Ages thinking of religion, true enlightenment will follow.
“… the use of our intelligence quite properly gives us pleasure. In this
respect the brain is like a muscle. When we think well, we feel good.
Understanding is a kind of ecstasy.” ~Dr. Carl Sagan quote.
RELIGION FAILS, SCIENCE PREVAILS!
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I agree, after decades dealing in depth with both psychology and theology, that “supernaturalism” is a serious problem that encompasses most forms of most religions (but not all!). However, strict naturalism (atheistic materialism), on the other pole of an imagined two-pole view of reality, is also a major problem.
There is only one well-developed system which makes good scientific AND intuitive sense in “bridging” the gap created when we think either as supernaturalists or naturalists (in the reductionist sense). That is process philosophy/theology. Begun, in its main expression, by the brilliant mathematician-turned-philosopher, A. N. Whitehead. On a basically parallel track was the related system of a similarly brilliant Catholic (barely!) scientist, Teilhard de Chardin. Check them both out, and their successors in people like John B. Cobb, David R. Griffin, Daniel Day Williams, Schubert Ogden, etc. You may be surprised.
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Sir/Ma’am/Other:
I understand your viewpoint. However, your continuous use of the word “gullible” and the like are more than just demeaning; it borders on hate speech.
People who embrace religion are usually scared or raised in it. They aren’t stupid — more often than not, they’re terrified! You ask us to look up all sorts sites and articles. I ask you to research the psychological trauma that people go through on account of their religion (or in leaving their religion).
Please, I beg of you, understand before you judge. Certainly, don’t put all “religious” people in one group. They aren’t stupid. They aren’t the enemy, they’re your fellow man. Understand them. Love them. Listen to them. Help them. That is true altruism, is it not?
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“What is the meaning of it, Watson? What is the object of this circle of misery, violence and fear? It must have a purpose or our universe has no meaning, and that is unthinkable. But what purpose? That… is humanity’s great problem… to which reason, so far, has no answer.” (Sherlock Holmes; Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.) I read the articles and comments on this blog and many others, looking for a pattern, some sense, some purpose in the give and take, and it all reminds me of the Atlantic’s stormy waves beating against the cliffs of my homeland, each statement, each comment, each claim, each assertion, each plea but another wave smashing against an indifferent cliff, perhaps creating a couple of grains of sand to be washed under the tides, ever and anon creating the seabed, but the ocean blindly beating the cliff farther inland over billions of years is met with just more cliff. That cliff is the Matrix, the reality creator and man’s relentless enemy. This Matrix is greater, more insidious, more subtle and deadly than any god, devil, science or invention of man. This is what man lives within and must ultimately extricate himself from. Seems however that “man” has so far been satisfied in engaging his windmills springing up ever and anon to mock him and keep him forever off-stride. Perhaps in the far, far future “man” will finally discover that the answer did not exist until he created it from his own mind, individually reasoned and understood, through self-empowerment; through taking responsibility within himself for everything he encounters, whether within spirit, physical “reality” or within his own mind. One day perhaps he’ll notice that oar lying athwart the dinghy he’s been cast adrift in, hungering and thirsting, lay his hands on the spar and sail that need but be lifted… by himself, and then he will set sail in some certain direction that had been waiting in his own mind, just like birds, insects and land animals do on their seasonal migrations. One day perhaps, “man” will realize he does not need to be anyone’s slave any longer; that he won’t be at the beck and call of systems and beliefs that force him to deny his nature. And that will make all the difference; the turning point and the beginning of a new species of humanity. Until then… good luck!
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Thank you so much for this… I knew my childhood religion had ruined me in a way I could never express in words (evangelicalism) to my now husband who never grew up with the trauma of cult like religion….. im hoping he can read this and understand why I cant handle life sometimes.
thank you!
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I added it to my Spiritual Recovery Forum start page. http://forums.delphiforums.com/sarecovery/start
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If you believe in forever then life is just a one night stand!
Where are all the fossils of the evolving states of creatures.?
Jesus is the Saviour and model for true religion.- The only religion based on love and giving. See you on the other side, friend.
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We have many fossils of organisms at different levels of evolution, and the deeper you go- the more archaic the species, and if you can find a single fossil fragment that contradicts this, it would change everything we now know about fossils, happy hunting!
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Not only is it real…it really never goes away….
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I understand that. =(
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It can, but it takes work; it doesn’t just go away on its own like other emotional pain does. The best book on this is Trauma and Recovery; it was sooo helpful to me. The author says it takes an average of 5 years to recover from trauma and that is with working at it. I had PTSD from an authoritarian Christian cult and after 2 years of therapy, study, personal work (like journaling) and social support all my symptoms went away. I think having good therapy might have been the most important factor.
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Trust me, it can be SENT away. The process of deconstruction simply isn’t as easy to find as the build up our society smilingly allows!
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THIS. THIS. THIS.
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Thank you. You gave a name to how I feel.
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Very eye-opening, and the first I’ve heard of this mental illness. I don’t believe I suffer (much) from it, but I very definitely understand! Tiny cracks in the theology of my growing-up years caused me a lot of consternation, but the close-knit denomination is like family. Even now–toward the end of middle-age, I remain a member and go through the motions because 1) this particular Christian denomination has grown much more liberal in general, and 2) I can basically ditch all of the beliefs, and yet go on having after-church lunch out with friends.
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Glad you (and your denomination) have grown so much! I LOVE this: “… I can basically ditch all of the beliefs” and [enjoy friends]. If many pastors knew how many of their congregation this applies to THEY would probably have RTS!
Personally, I “recanted”, stayed away a few years while re-working worldview and theology, and now am enjoying a very progressive church (oh… and I WAS a part-time minister, teacher and “defender of the faith”).
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I was diagnosed with Complex PTSD as a direct result of fundamentalist Christianity. Forced Catholicism started the process, but my life was basically ruined by the Children of God, now known as The Family International, that I ‘joined’ when I was 16. Some object that the group is not a legitimate Christian group. Religion reporter, Don Lattin, anticipated that objection in the introduction of his book on that group “Jesus Freaks: A True Story of Murder and Madness on the Evangelical Edge” http://www.donlattin.com/pagejesusfreaks/dl_jesusfreaks.html Here’s what he wrote in the introduction:
“SOME CHRISTIANS MAY take issue with the title of this book, Jesus Freaks: A True Story of Murder and Madness on the Evangelical Edge. They may argue that the crazy cult chronicled in these pages has nothing to do with Jesus or the evangelical movement. They may say its founder was not a Christian–that he was a spiritualist or controlled by demonic forces. His sexual immorality, they may argue, is the very antithesis of moral values in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
That’s an understandable reaction, but the odyssey of David Brandt Berg is deeply rooted in the Christian tradition. Berg, the founder of The Family, came straight out of American evangelicalism. His grandfather was a famous minister with the Methodist Church, and his father was ordained into another mainline Protestant church. His training as an itinerant evangelist was at his mother’s side in the Christianity and Missionary Alliance. And it was in the Alliance that Berg began his own late-blooming ministry. During the spiritual counterculture of the late sixties, this previously unremarkable evangelist embraced a strange brew of Christian witness, radical politics, apocalyptic doom, and free love. His followers–known over the years as Teens for Christ, the Children of God, The Family of Love, and The Family International–survived Berg’s 1994 death and continued to operate in 2007 as an international Christian ministry with thousands of devoted members living in cells and missionary communes around the world.”
I understand the distinction being made here between RTS and PTSD, but Complex PTSD is different and more closer to RTS, if not the same thing.
Complex PTSD “A psychological injury that results from protracted exposure to prolonged social and/or interpersonal trauma in the context of either captivity or entrapment (i.e. the lack of a viable escape route for the victim) that results in the lack or loss of control, helplessness, and deformations of identity and sense of self.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_post-traumatic_stress_disorder
Trauma and Recovery, Judith Lewis Herman, M.D. – Complex PTSD “A history of subjection to totalitarian control over a prolonged period (months to years). Examples include hostages, prisoners of war, concentration-camp survivors, and survivors of some religious cults. Examples also include those subjected to totalitarian systems in sexual and domestic life, including those subjected to domestic battering, childhood physical or sexual abuse, and organized sexual exploitation. http://www.uic.edu/classes/psych/psych270/PTSD.htm
A very good book on this issue of the direct harms associated with religious belief is, “Deadly Doctrine: Health, Wellness and Christian God-Talk” by Dr. Wendell Watters
http://books.google.ca/books/about/Deadly_Doctrine.html?id=4RPms9pKULYC&redir_esc=y
Prometheus Books, Publishers, 1992 – Religion – 198 pages
The Christian religion presents itself as the way to contentment, spiritual health, and salvation. But is this really true? Dr. Wendell Watters offers a powerful argument, based on his many years of clinical experience with individuals, couples, and families, that Christianity’s influence actually militates against human development in such vital areas as self-esteem, sexuality, and social interactions. The tragic end result of Christian conditioning is too often antisocial behavior, sexual dysfunction, poor psychological development, anxiety, and even major psychiatric illness.Christian indoctrination is not simply a problem affecting individuals or single families; the noxious effects of its teachings over nearly two millennia pervade society at large, even those who are not Christians, and in ways that seriously undermine human welfare and the quality of life. Christianity’s aggressive pronatalist policies have encouraged large families, despite parents’ inability to cope either emotionally or financially. With this the Christian church has formulated rigid sexual roles, forbidding all practices not leading directly to conception. By actually promoting sexual ignorance and irresponsibility, Christianity has allowed the proliferation of such social ills as rape, child molestation, and pornography.In the face of so much human suffering resulting from Christian doctrine, it is imperative that health care professionals, recognizing the Christian belief system as an addictive disease, develop a religious status examination to help evaluate how notions about life derived from Christian god-talk compromise individuals’ healthy functioning. In failing to determine the role of oppressive religious beliefs in mental illness, physicians and other health care workers actually promote Christianity’s continued stranglehold on human happiness and self-fulfillment.Dr. Watters covers ground many Christians will find uncomfortable. For that he is to be thanked.
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Thanks for sharing your own story and this resource, which sounds like an important one, Perry.
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My story is more common than most think. In the U.S. at least, more religion related abuse occurs in Protestant churches than in Catholic ones. http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.ca/2010/12/more-us-children-are-abused-by.html
One recent case was the First Baptist Church of Hammond, where the pastor was jailed for sex with a minor member of his congregation. The daughter of the founder of that church has now issued a public apology, not for what she did, but what her father and other church leaders did. That is similar to my situation.
My traumas and subsequent psychological problems were a result of not only what was to done to me spiritually, psychologically, emotionally, socially, but because I was unable to stop or report the abuses of others I witnessed. My only choice was to find a way to escape, which I finally did. But getting out of the cult turned out to be easier than getting the cult out of me. Through education I finally did, which is why I am now an atheist, but that was not the end of my troubles. As the bible says about Jesus, “so there was a division among the people because of him”, and that still plays out in my recovered life, because although I no longer believe, important people in my life do, and so communication between us if very strained. That’s one of the reasons I said above that my life was basically ruined by the Christian indoctrination I was subjected to. Although I have overcome that indoctrination, others in my life have not and so it is next to impossible to have an honest conversation about so many things. Yet I understand why they cling desperately to the myths and lies they’ve been taught, because the universe is an uncertain, scary place so religion comforts them. I was exactly like them, they just don’t realize it because they think the ‘cult’ I was in was somehow different from their mainstream church. But other than some extreme doctrines on certain topics, at the core there is not much difference between fringe fundamentalist Christian groups and mainstream evangelical churches.
You can read about the First Baptist abuse at:
http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.ca/2011/04/independent-fundamentalist-baptist.html?showComment=1364596576104#c3975458129458499493
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The problem with religion is people like the people on this site and who wrote the book.. religious people! Jesus Christ came to speak AGAINST religion.. atheists are every much as religious as fake Christians.. they worship man and what man can do.. stop holding God accountable for what people like you do, even though they “claim” it is Christianity. Man is the problem, man is the issue and man cannot solve anything..
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No, the problem with religion is religion. Look what religious belief in an historical-fiction character in a dubious book has done to your mind.
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I blog a lot but have seldom “reblogged”. Valerie, are there any “rules” for it, or preferences you have?… This one SHOULD be on my blog also, I feel. Thanks for it.
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Thanks Howie. No rules or preferences. I know that Marlene will appreciate you bringing extra attention to this topic.
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There is soooo much to discuss about this topic. There is just way too little education and awareness in our culture of many issues to do with religion and with psychological/social well-being, and then how the two intertwine (or clash) at key points. Good things have been written at least since the famous William James’ work at turn of the 19th to 20th century! But they are not known to most people; and youth are especially unlikely to seek out or encounter and want to read (or even listen to, watch) good material that could prepare them to either not be as vulnerable or be able to spot quicker and leave unhealthy religion while it’s easier, or know how/where to get support if it’s tougher.
I follow trends pretty closely and do see hopeful, helpful things in place or developing, certainly including your work, Valerie, and that of Dr. Winell. But large cultural trends as well. And actually some of them come from “within” religion (or its institutions). I wasn’t sure about this for quite a while after realizing my Evangelical belief system was fatally flawed and contained much that WAS indeed, toxic (and leaving it… in my case relatively untraumatically, largely because by then I was very psychologically and theologically savvy…. something not encouraged generally within conservative religion).
Included in such healthy trends is the development, within “Progressive Christianity,” of more clear and consistent principles, values and “theology” (but without so much of the theo–God/supernatural–aspect). Running roughly parallel and intertwining with this has been the development of Process philosophy and theology. Much of the reason why religion has become culturally reactive and particularly toxic in the last century has to do with the polarities set up between it and science (for which not “true” science, but “scientism” and pure materialism has to bear responsibility as well). A great (but little known) mathematician/scientist/philosopher noted this clearly in the early 1900s… left formal mathematics to work on it, philosophically. That was Alfred N. Whitehead. His very insightful (“healthy” and balanced) system for understanding reality for modern humanity was subsequently honed into a thorough “theology” that is Christian in the sense of using Christian texts, stories and traditions but re-works the dogma and encourages things like independent thinking and care for the earth, human rights (especially feminism come the 70s and 80s), etc.
I don’t know if I should give links or more specifics here, but if this sounds appealing and potentially helpful to anyone, a quick internet search will lead to some solid resources. Some of my blog posts deal specifically with it, and most are framed by it in one way or another, even though I haven’t studied the approach in great depth myself. One reason I mention this relatively hidden “secret” is that some of our deepest thinkers and most careful observers on issues of psychological health and personal development believe that, ironically, with all their drawbacks and flaws, religious institutions and people are NEEDED to help society move beyond the very problems of toxic religion — religion that suppresses rather than encourages personal growth.
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It pains me to see such things. Unfortunately the loving saviour has been turned a Monster in the name of Religion. What is religion? It is man made. Jesus never asked us to make religion –
Note: The law was given to Moses / but to live in grace from Christ, the son of God.
Following Christ and being a Christian are distinctly 2 things.
In the garb of WANTING TO control God- Humans have made LAW the WAY OF LIFE.
Let me plead here- Its NOT TRUE.. God never preached law… he only scattered Grace and Love. Why is this so tough to understand
I am not born a christian, but yes- have followed Christ and the his love for long now. Its the law and the preachers of this LAW – that we have to get against.. not the LORD who ONLY and ONLY showed Love and Grace.
I may sound a little emphatic but- Following Christ is Just a WAY OF LIFE and not the LAW. There is a lot to discuss in this. Having read the truth of the vedas/ the upanishads/ the love in Islam and the Grace of Christ- today i am on the ground that I can speak of all this.. My research and study is still on, and i do agree that in the name of religion, MAN is wanting to control god, but on the flip side, if we can take a step ahead to understand his grace, you will feel peace
Priya
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Your book begs to differ:
Matthew 5:17-20
English Standard Version (ESV)
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Your problem with your reply is you do not understand what you read or what is written or the historical context of which it speaks.. a Follower Of Jesus Christ Who has been Born Again is not under the law but does not continue in sin, therefore if they do sin again. and all do.. we have a forgiveness as long as we do not habitually and purposely practice sin..
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what a bunch of nonsense, Priya talks LMAO
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The LOve in Islam, seriously? LOL!
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You chose, i had nothing else, it was the only thing i knew.
And here I am: personality disorder, anxiety disorder, major depression and so on..
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Thank you for this. I’ve had a rough few days, I struggle with religious OCD and things like this really help. What you have written is the truth and not from the world. It may be one post on the internet but I believe your post has the power help people who are struggling like myself. I hope God blesses you greatly for your post. Jesus is the way, sin is wrong, but if we sin we have someone who is willing to forgive us. Not because we are worthy but because Jesus is. Thank you again.
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This article is very important for the mental, emotional and spiritual health of many sincere people. It is also important for everyone, leaders and lay people, religious and non-religious. The discussion here is one that impacts us all, directly or indirectly… one we need to pay much more attention to and participate in. Note my own response following my re-posting of the original article from Valerie Tarico’s blog. I know her and can vouch for her deep knowledge and professionalism.
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A very good remedy for this and many other (or what may be considered Mental Health issues)
“The Power of Myth” with Joesph Campbell and interview by Bill Moyers
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Yes, “The Power of Myth” by Campbell is great… available in book or CD format as well as the classic interviews (10? I think) with Moyers. Highly recommended!
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Oh i have all 6 six interviews the only acceptable literature, in my opinion on this subject!
Thanks For your reply Thank You very Much!!
Jeff Boehlow
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Great article Valerie. Doesn’t brainwashing already have it’s own mental health category?
With regard to children I would call religious indoctrination child abuse plain and simple. And that’s where most of it begins. As with other forms of abuse, when these kids grow up they tend to abuse their own kids in the same way, thereby perpetuating the suffering.
I wasn’t even brought up in a religious household, but still consider myself to have suffered religious trauma. That just shows how insidious it is.
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Unfortunately, “brainwashing” and “indoctrination” are imprecise categories with widely varying techniques and levels of application. But there ARE identifiable techniques. Religions often employ them unwittingly, without knowing or respecting their power. There was a British psychiatrist, William Sargent, who was one of the first to study and “label” brainwashing. Started with WW II and Korean War veterans. He wrote a classic book based on that, back in the ’50s, which included religious groups like snake handlers in the US. He gets fairly specific on the way neurological and psychological functioning work as a person first resists mightily and often eventually (and usually suddenly) “flips” and joins what he or she was resisting (or cooperates with the “enemy”, as in the case of soldiers who end up giving info, though not physically tortured in many cases).
Unfortunately this book, “Battle for the Mind”, never had really broad influence and didn’t much penetrate religious circles, perhaps partly because Sargent was a controversial as well as brilliant psychiatrist, and some of his practices, which were well-known in England, were in fact questionable in themselves. But I highly recommend the book! (I think still in circulation, probably via Amazon, some libraries, etc.)
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Howard, and anyone else interested, one of the best books on this subject is (from wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misunderstanding_Cults
“Misunderstanding Cults: Searching for Objectivity in a Controversial Field” was edited by Benjamin Zablocki and Thomas Robbins. The book was published by University of Toronto Press, on December 1, 2001 and includes contributions from ten religious, sociological and psychological scholars. The book is unique in that it includes contributions from scholars who have been labeled as “anti-cult”, as well as those who have been labeled as “cult apologists.” The book features a section which discusses the need for scholarly objectivity when researching cults, as well as emphasizing the danger of partisanship while researching these controversial groups. Other topics discussed include brainwashing, cult violence, the conflict that exists between new religious movements and their critics, as well as the ramifications of raising children in controversial religious movements.”
The essays on ‘brainwashing’ or indoctrination are fascinating, as they reveal a very strong rift in the academic community on that subject, with those who say ‘brainwashing’ doesn’t exist relying on the concept of automatons with no will of their own, as in The Manchurian Candidate, whereas the concept of indoctrination is much closer to what the general public usually understands as ‘brainwashing’. That book helped me tremendously with my own cult recovery, although it is still incomplete 20 years after I escaped. Stephen Kent, a cult expert at the University of Alberta, is one of the contributors, and his work on ‘brainwashing’ describes exactly my experiences. See his website at: http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/skent/ You can read some of his articles there, including one that is in that book Misunderstanding Cults.
He has done important work on Scientology and other cults such as the one I was in, the Children of God. His specific insights on that group helped me understand certain things that I would not have had known otherwise. He knew things about the cult, based on extensive interviews with former members, that I had no idea about while I was a member,
things like the psycho-sexual history of the Children of God’s founder, David Berg, which you can read on Kent’s site in an article title “Lustful Prophet” at: http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/skent/Linkedfiles/lustfulprophet.htm
The best thing about him, from my perspective as a survivor of religous abuse in that group, is that he does not simply reject outright the claims made by ex-cult members about their experiences, as many academic cult apologists do because they assume that they have axes to grind so embellish their abuse stories. You can often find such apologists behind the term, new religious movement, which they prefer to ‘cult’. Instead, Kent starts from the premise that cult survivor stories are true and not embellished. That makes him a hero to me and people like me who are generally not believed.
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The truth contained in religious doctrines are after all so systematically distorted and disguised that the mass of humanity can not recognize them as truth
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Thank you so much Marlene and Valerie for your work. I have seen RTS many times and experienced it myself and it’s nice to have a clinical name and description. For those interested in a coming-of-age story on the subject, my novel “Stick Man” is thematically about RTS as a young man makes a journey from fundamentalism to freedom. Amicably, Richard Rossi
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Well said! I’d like to train in this as I am a former member of the cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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I was born and raised as a Jehovah’s Witness. I left at 18, after spending my entire life trying to appease my parents. It was never a fear of god for me, ever. It was always fear of reproof from the humans in my life and I think that is why I had an easier time to break free. They taught me how to defend their unprovable beliefs, while simultaneously breaking apart other religions and their beliefs, which were VERY close, so the jump to questioning the JW beliefs and why they were “exempt” from intelligent thought was not that long. And then, it was not far to getting out because I was taught intelligent thought…and there is nothing intelligent about picking and choosing what works for a religion versus another one and never allowing any “cross contamination” and isolating a group from others merely based on their thoughts. However, questioning is NOT ALLOWED in any of the religions that cause this cause of trauma. You must have FAITH, which is a religious synonym for “belief without proof because there is none to be had.” So I left at 18, the day I turned, because I knew I could not be a hypocrite. They created their own monster.
I am one of the fortunate ones who let it go and didn’t let the emotional damage rule my life. And that is tough, considering that I left behind every single person I knew and loved my entire life and had to begin over at 18, unable to go to college because my parents wouldn’t sign for loans and with only a few “forbidden” friends that I had talked to in school against the rules. It took a lot to rebuild a life and try to find myself and I still continue to search for what I need. The problem is that religion is not built upon truth, tolerance or love. There are many good teachings from many different places, religious leaders, scientific minds and more and there is no need to be so attached to one thing so much that you hate others for thinking something different.
I have three children and I allow them to be exposed to many different teachings from many different sources, and they will be free to make up their own mind on what they believe. I don’t hate religion, I hate that they make it so hard to be an individual and to look for your own truth and to ask questions. It stifles intelligent expansion and I feel so sad for the people who blindly believe and use those beliefs to express hatred toward others.
When I first left, I tried to go to some of the ex-JW forums but all I saw was more hate. I understand the frustration, but I will never be comfortable expressing hate. That isn’t what I believe. I think we have a base instinct that puts us into fight or flight and those who have left a binding religion have a lot of those emotions flowing and while I agree that talking with people who understand can be healing, in many cases, it just ends up making those people more frustrated and angry. We need to learn coping techniques that can help us to let go and move on from the pain that was inflicted upon us, whether as children or adults, whether from religion or from other abuse and move on in a way of peace.
It’s a harder road, but peace if the only answer. Love one another is one of the most important things we can ever learn, and no matter who said it, it still is truth. Love means that we treat each other with respect and care and tolerance and religion does none of those things for people or the human race. It only causes division. We need to be one and as long as there is religion, that can never happen.
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I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness. I was under stress my entire life “standing firm,” by not participating in the practices of the “world,” such as not pledging the flag, participating in holidays at school, and within my extended family caused real physiological stress responses daily. I am grateful that I do know how to stand against the crowd, but it was gained at a great cost. The worst was believing all things but Witnesses would die in Armageddon. It was like living in a horror film everyday. As I aged the promise of a “New Earth” seemed non-ideal, to have to be a submissive woman for eternity in a New Earth led by Jehovah God was not something I wanted. I was disassociated at the age of 15 because I would not repent the sin of smoking. It seemed hypocritical for me to repent when I did not want to live forever with these people. Witnesses believe that those who are unworthy are thrown into the Lake of Fire and disappear as if they were never born. Such a spiritual suicide was my choice. Since it was actually against their practices to expell a child who had not been baptized, I was reinstated and had to continue to attend meetings until I was 17. At that point, I moved out of my parent’s home. I learned many good things as a child among Witnesses. I do not hate them, but I do think that it is a toxic and stressful way for children to be raised. If you are a person who converted to the Jehovah’s Witness faith as an adult reading this, please understand what you are expecting from your child/ren. You expect them to stand against all the values and beliefs in their school and extended family. This causes raised heart rate, blood pounding in their ears, fear fear fear, strength streng strength for those who are brave. There were children who lived a double life, lying about following the practices at school. I do not know how they feel as adults, perhaps shame? perhaps smart? Maybe their stress was the lying? Anyway, you are raising a social warrior. Further, you are telling your child that all around them will die horribly in apocalypic flame. This is stress that you cannot imagine as an adult convert. You are doing this for nothing. It is not the TRUTH. Sit down and read the Bible from beginning to end without any other reading material telling you what the Bible says, and you will discover the real truth about the Bible. Do this for your child/ren. Be as brave as you expect them to be.
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I am so not surprised at these articles, but surprised that I, too, suffered from RTS. The most damaging was Jehovah’s Witnesses – who got my Mom, hook, line and sinker. As a young girl (grade school) I was expected to “study” with my Mom and a witness, then go out and tell other the people the “good news”. THAT’s an oxymoron! I was so petrified that the “end of days” was truly upon us. Would I live long enough to graduate from HIgh School? Get Married? Have kids? I married right out of high school and had kids right away, always fearing that it will all come to a horrible end any time – and was I going to be a survivor??? I went to different churches in my life – Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalan (sp?) – read about Budda, Wiccan, etc. My inner peace finally came when I made a conscious decision that Religion is not what I need. I am just fine believing that there is something bigger than us that maybe someday we will understand. But, I prefer to live my life being a good neighbor, friend and human being, mindful of the strife of others and trying not to be too judgmental (hard to do these days!). I feel sad for people I know who do not see the destructiveness of a lot of religions. They all say they are right and true, then act in such a way that I am absolutely sure that Jesus would never stop throwing up at the things done in his name. So much for teaching love, compassion and love of truth. Don’t see it today.
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Then you missed the point of being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and most likely, so did your mother – at least while you were involved with them.
Hopefully by now your mother has learned that, regardless of what it was about which you were made to feel guilty or inadequate, the sacrifice that Jehovah God made through Jesus Christ was more than adequate to compensate for it, and only those who refuse to give up wickedness when offered an opportunity to do so have been – or ever will be – destroyed by Jehovah.
(I’ve confirmed that our publications identified all those destroyed by Jehovah as, “incorrigibly wicked”, at least as far back as the 1950s and up the present, and in a convention lecture I heard today, it was confirmed that even before 1914, our brothers believed that, “millions now living will never die”, specifically because even though there then were only thousands who would eventually become Jehovah’s Witnesses, millions of others would survive Armageddon.)
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Hi Sam Thorne,
Why do you feel that you know better than other people about what their religion has meant to them? Specifically here: “you missed the point of being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. How can you honestly know if someone else “missed” the point, since you have no way of knowing their life experiences, and what it’s like to be them?
It just sounds a bit presumptuous to imply that you know what is right for other people.
Thanks,
Erin
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Sam, please stop pretending to know what you can’t. This is pathetic and wicked, you need to find someone else to troll.
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As a minister, I have witnessed first-hand the trauma and dysfunction caused by toxic religion. I spent years cleaning up the psychological and spiritual fallout from one of my predecessors who not only was a holier-than-thou, super-spiritual, control freak, he was also a serial sexual predator of men, women and children (including his own children and his sister). How people let leaders like this control them is beyond me . . . but every once in a while, somebody takes something I say the wrong way . . . and I live in fear that my words might be twisted into similarly damaging thoughts . . .
But you know what really bugs me? It absolutely frosts my cookies when my leadership and I attempt to genuinely follow Jesus Christ in offering mercy, grace, love and understanding . . . and we’re told we’re not as “spiritual” as the abusers . . . Yeah . . . go figure.
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The Term “Jesus Christ” needs to be understood as a Metaphor! “All Religions” Refer to you!
Have you “died to your animal nature and been reborn! This is the meaning of that, There is no
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“How people let leaders like this control them is beyond me” — A great book which explains this is “Combatting Cult Mind Control” by Steven Hassan. People don’t LET it happen. There are many techniques to unethically influence people into beliefs which gives one control over them. Truly, it can happen to anyone, unless the person knows about those techniques in order to recognize them when they are tried on them. These techniques are used by charismatic narcissists in all kinds of settings, from Chinese war prisons to Nazi Germany to cults and controlling churches in the U.S.
As a minister, it would be greatly worth your while to study this much more in-depth so that you can gain a better understanding of the dynamics of the controlling leader and his followers, and therefore be better able to help and sympathize with your church members (or others who come to your church from another abusive group).
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As much as I hate “church” and haven’t stepped foot in one in years, you writing “… and I live in fear that my words might be twisted into similarly damaging thoughts” makes me think there might be one or two out there are decent. It’s just finding them. I know my negative experiences in church weren’t due to anything intentional on their part, I just always felt beat, down. Yes I know I’m a sinner, I sin everyday, I’m painfully aware of that, it’s just church made me feel like I had to do more that was already unable to do. I hope to learn more of the grace that in Jesus, and I hope from that grace I will sin less and less.
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Whatever . . .
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It goes to show you that the people of the world are growing further away from God, do not want to know God, do not care About God or His Word and will do anything to slap His face. This is why they do not understand Him and His Love. They concentrate on consequences of what their sins and then blame that on God and completely ignore what God has promised is for and Eterniy of bliss. What a shameful human race and what stupidity from His creatures that He loves so much. The miracles he and healing she has for us and we need only ask and He gives. Where are His children? He has saved my life from drunkeness, cancer, smoking, myself and you people, gave me back my family, and you condemn His works? Shame, you blame religion (organized) but do not attack Christianity it’s true form as it is not religion…the difference is wide and vast and if you do not know what it is then you do not know what you are talking about. Religion you DO…Christianity you LIVE now you do know what you are talking about!
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Donna, I appreciate you sharing here. I celebrate with you the return of your family and what I imagine you’d say is your “life” (quality of life). I’ve read Valerie’s and Marlene’s writings for a long time, and do not see them as an attack on “Christianity” itself… only the all-too-common forms in which people express or teach about it that confuse and misguide many. You may note I’ve commented in this post thread as well, and consider myself a “progressive” or “Integral” Christian. “True religion”, as the author of James (New Test. book) speaks it, of reminds me of what you are saying… compassionate things we DO, especially for the less fortunate, struggling people; how we live! I think I can speak for the authors that they are in full agreement with that and seeking to point others there, rescuing them from manipulation when necessary.
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You are exactly what is wrong with religion.
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This article repeatedly references “fundamental,” “authoritarian,” and “controlling” Christian groups. There is a difference between mainstream and fundamental Christianity, and healthy and controlling churches. The people that this organization is helping are Christians from controlling/authoritarian churches. A lot of mainstream Christians don’t realize the true extremism of fundamentalism because fortunately they haven’t been part of it. Fundamentalists make up only about 25% of Christianity worldwide (and 37% in the U.S. according to http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations), but they are extremely vocal and love to strong-arm everyone who isn’t one of them–politically, socially, religiously and personally. I grew up Presbyterian which is very liberal (they have just started performing gay weddings), and then at 18 I joined a fundamental Christian church which actually is also a cult, as many of them are.
Fundamentalist groups in any religion are problematic because of the extreme narrowness of their beliefs, the control they exercise over their members, and how they deal with the ‘outside world.’ Orthodox Judaism is fundamentalist Judaism. Al-quaeda and Taliban are fundamental Islamic. They are each only part of what makes up those religions, just like the fundamentalist churches in Christianity are.
It is very difficult to come out of these groups on many levels. I had PTSD as a result of my membership in one, and it took 2 years of intensive therapy, personal work with journaling, studying, etc. to heal. And a big part of my healing was talking online with other people who had left that group.
It is troubling that rather than expressing compassion for the experiences of the people who give their testimony in this article, the only thing you write about is your own experience of Christianity and a defense of it. According to the Bible, Jesus values compassion far more highly than religiosity. He stated that the ONE criteria for salvation was caring for others in his parable about the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31-46). And the Samaritan was his example of goodness, not the religious leaders who passed the robbed man by on the road (Luke 10:25-37).
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I’m sorry to hear that others go through this, but it feels nice not to be alone. I didn’t have to go through what the poster went through, but I certainly have my problems. I have anxiety and OCD, which I think was caused by religion. I was raised Catholic and got a pretty good dose of it growing up. My parents don’t know yet, but I’m becoming atheist. People say that religion relives us from anxiety, but what if it’s the cause of it? Religion reminds me of the Matrix. Religion tells us that the world is the problem and that religion (the matrix) is the only we it can fix it. I truly think the only way we can be free is if we leave religion for good.
While it hasn’t been proven, I think there is a strong link between most of everyone’s anxiety and religion. Most people have had some sort of religious upbringing and a lot of people seem to have some anxiety. Religion teaches us to fear the end of days; definitely a great thing to teach a child growing up. Humans have a natural tendency to fear death, and religion plays upon that fear. We are taught to fear Hell and that we have to be perfect to enter Heaven. Humans can never be perfect and I think this creates a vicious cycle of anxiety.
I think that original sin screwed me up the most. We are taught that we are never good enough for God. Most people look at the Jesus story and think of it as a wonderful tale of redemption. I see it as a way for religions to control us. Not only do they teach us that we are horrible people, but we need someone to suffer the most violent death to save us. This can’t be healthy for our us.
They do the same thing for sexuality. Most religions look down upon masturbating when it’s completely natural. The cycle of shame and guilt is endless in religion. In the Catholic Church masturbating is seen as a mortal sin which can send you straight to Hell. Even lusting after a women is seen as adultery.
Sorry for the long post. I’m just trying to get to the root of the problem and thought I would put my back story here.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think there are many, many of us on parallel journeys.
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Think your screwed up now!? Wait until you die!!! Then you’ll have hell to pay but for all eternity, THAT’S suppose to scare you into SEEKING God and not turning against Him. He Is only telling you The Truth that when you die you WILL be judged. Nothing you can say, do or think can ever change that! It’s just a shame no one has ever been able to prove He is real to you.. and Hell is real.
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Kenny, what you have to try and understand is that from the outside you sound like a brainwashed cult member. All of us who have been Christians have memorized the same phrases, the same justifications, the same mental framework, the same denial that Christianity is a religion.
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Kenny, keep in mind that your faith is just that. Faith. If it was true you would not need faith. You would understand it as truth because of evidence, but since your parents were given a book and were told that it was true, and then in turn they gave that same book to you, and said to you it was true, a vicious cycle has been created. A cycle of mind control, and money intake.
Until you can prove your faith to be true, I cannot believe what cannot be proven.
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Kenny, you don’t know that Hell is real. The fact that you worship a god who punishes eternally sins wrought in a single life is sickening. I despise the way you think and hope this line of thought vanishes from the planet.
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Any religion that has threats or rewards because you do or don’t accept their lies is not a good situation. Whither they violate a persons peace and safety now or threaten it after you are dead. They are wrong.
How to they think that would work without a physical body.
There is life and death.
After life is death. Why can’t they figure that out ?
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And just like the Matrix, some people choose to stay in it because they prefer the comfort, while others value freedom more. Having experienced both, I’m glad I chose freedom and it has ultimately brought me much more comfort!
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I think Gandih got it right ‘I like your Jesus, I dont like his followers’. I’m studying to be a chaplain in mental health and want to help encourage others towards growth and healing in personal relationships with GOD not the church or religion
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Doesn’t have to be an “Evangelical,” “cult-like,” or even organized faith to cause great harm. I was raised Lutheran, but just really believed it all for half my life, and my departure from believing it almost killed me. It is wrong no matter which way it is taught, because it simply is not true and following a myth cannot help but lead those who eventually see the truth to great suffering.
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Religious victims need only to understand a VITAL point about fanaticism, and that will resolve the conflict once and for all.
Religion is all of it based on the FALSE premise that there is an almighty that “told some agents to tell you”!
Religion is a dishonest, fanatical LIAR telling you “God told us to tell you!”
It is FALSE: no Almighty God with enough self-esteem would need AGENTS or COURIERS or evangelists or popes or priests or any other professional AGENTS to deliver a message he wanted you to receive!
The same ALMIGHTY would not need to write any “holy book” saturated with codes & mysteries to be interpreted since we are intelligent enough to understand a straightforward message.
The other offensive evil Religion plays is to quote MEN from some holy book and call them God!
It is the number one evil of Religion, without a doubt: Quoting MEN that wrote some story in a labelled “holy book” and call those MEN the God the VICTIM needs to FEAR.
The third EVIL Religion portrays is to deliver some almighty’s message with THREATS & CURSES and still charge a cash fee for the service to support the parasitical elite that tell us God told them to tell us!
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Therefore: when you understand these points well, you have reached a stage in your intelligence and IQ level where you are no longer a possible VICTIM of Religion and its charlatans!
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I have also come to view Evangelical Christianity as mental illness. Those who seem the deepest in it’s throes have histories of unbelievable childhood trauma, alcoholic, psychotic, sociopathic parents and grandparents. I’ve lost my son and my grandchildren to a cult of “christianity” because my daughter-in-law comes from one of those extremely dysfunctional families. She has indoctrinated her children, isolated them from the larger society through home schooling and prevented any contact with anyone who doesn’t share her belief in her cult.
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I was brainwashed from an early age in Southern Baptistry, but fortunately had good pastors. Unfortunately, I still find myself angsty on leaving religion totally because of the early ‘hell’ training. I have a huge amount of anxiety related to even possible agnosticism even though I understand that Jesus is another incarnation of the dead god mythos, and that not everything in the bible is true, or even partially true. I came out to my mother about a year and a half ago as not believing in Biblical Creation, her reaction was semi-predictable. I am really conflicted. Intellectually I don’t need religion, but emotionally I do, and I’m not sure how to deal with that.
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The article talks about this emotional need, and how it can be fulfilled through groups of people who are agnostic or athiest.* Unitarian Universalism is a very well-established group like that which you could look into.
*”They provide social support, a place for events and rites of passage, exchange of ideas, inspiration, opportunities for service, and connection to social causes. They encourage spiritual practices that promote health like meditation or principles for living like the golden rule. More and more, nontheists are asking how they can create similar spiritual communities without the supernaturalism. An atheist congregation in London launched this year and has received over 200 inquiries from people wanting to replicate their model.”
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Similar background, it wasn’t like they were intentionally trying to mess with my mind but OCD is very much in my genes so church and religion has caused me real problems. I no longer go to church not sure when or if i’ll ever go back. Same thing with the intellectual part, I have a physics background and work at a lab, I’m not convinced about everything written in the bible. What I have realized that my emotional need is Jesus. He has never left me, has been with me in the hardest of times, forgives me and loves. I’m still a sinner and probably will be until I leave this earth, but I know Jesus forgives me and will continue to help me overcome my sins. I think i’m realizing the weight I’ve always carried on my shoulders from realizing that I’m not perfect isn’t mine to carry. I mean if we’re speaking of deserving to carry than of course I deserve it. But I’m realizing that it is no longer my responsibility, but instead Jesus’. He has carried me through some dark places. OCD, panic disorder, paranoia, delusional thinking, feeling doomed to burn in hell, feeling alone and unaccepted by the people around me. He was there with me all those times.
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New to this site. Thank you.
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I’m a recovering mormon and this article has so many “ah-hah!” moments in it for me. Thanks for your research and thoughtful interview. I think it would be a good read for many people leaving mormonism that still question their place in the world and their own sanity as they exit a potentially very controlling religion.
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Low-IQ fanatics seem to believe that yes there is a nice almighty god out there that can hear prayers.
Fine, any junior/immature almighty can hear prayers, what the hell!
The problem is that none of the almighties in the Pantheon answers real prayers, the bastards!!
Yes, you can have prayers answered, like the small change ones – pray for rain in Cape Town from April to September!
But go pray for REAL problems, like find MISSING CHILDREN quickly to their anguished parents and you will notice the almighties left to play cards with their friends, the creeps!
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Christian Science isn’t really into the hellfire, brimstone and apocalypse, but it does manage to instill a deep distrust of doctors/medicine, and some dangerously unrealistic ideas that you can heal yourself through prayer alone — and when that fails, it means you’ve failed, so you have to pray harder… Not a healthy cycle to fall into.
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I don’t agree with everything here, and I don’t think I’m leaving my religion (really), but…this is so me.
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This is wonderful. Thanks so much for publishing this. As someone who spent a good chunk of my adolescence surrounded by evangelicals, I can relate to a lot of what is described here. It’s great to be shedding light on this issue.
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This confirms so many things I’ve been saying and feeling about my own experience, which I go into here (particularly in the section titled “In religion, but not of religion”: http://bit.ly/1n8VjkG
Thanks for sharing!
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THank you, thank you, thank you!Great article as always Valerie. RTS is real and there are a lot of us who can attest to that from first hand experience.
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Thank you, Deb! Be well.
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“Conversely, groups that connect people and promote self-knowledge and personal growth can be said to be healthy. The book, Healthy Religion, describes these traits. Such groups put high value on respecting differences, and members feel empowered as individuals. They provide social support, a place for events and rites of passage, exchange of ideas, inspiration, opportunities for service, and connection to social causes. They encourage spiritual practices that promote health like meditation or principles for living like the golden rule.”
This paragraph from the article has been my experience in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It has also been my experience that people — teachers AND followers — can twist, misinterpret, and completely misunderstand Christ’s teachings and thus create or suffer from RTS. My heart goes out to them and I sincerely hope they find their faith again through service, love, compassion, and forgiveness.
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Everyone should read this.
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I really enjoyed reading this. it all makes sense to me. I came out of a Christian cult about six years ago. i was in it for almost twenty years. (I’m almost 44 btw.) I was raised in a very tight over protective extremely Christian family. It was almost like a cult of four so actually going into a cult was perfectly natural for me. Waking up however, was a major life event. When I did come out of it I was in need of people who understood but I couldn’t find anyone. That’s when I decided to blog about my life. I am aware I am not the only person who goes through what I go through and if I needed someone then maybe someone needed me and I would be there for them. About a year or so later Dr. Phil had the ex-fundamentalist Mormons on his show. It really helped me a lot to hear what they had to say and what they were going through. It helped me to stop mentally beating myself up because they helped me realize why I had been the way I was and how real brain washing was. Writing also helped me heal. i wrote many dark poems and lyrics and such for quite a while. I was embarrassed to tell anyone about the images I had of myself busting my head open on the cement wall behind my bed. Not that I would ever do that but the image would play over and over as if it would somehow offer me relief. Over time as I healed that image changed to less and less horrible images until I was finally free from those images. I have believed I had a form of post dramatic stress syndrome. Now I can relabel that to RTS and it fits. Anyway, thank you! I wrote a blog the other day and just got it published on WP that relates somewhat so I posted a link to this article. My recent blog I am referring to is at – http://wp.me/pTuxz-xW.
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Sorry for the typos my computer is seriously messed up. Not that I’m a great typist but it seems my computer is on it’s last leg sadly.
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Hello again. Excellent article on the effects of bad religion on mental health.
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When did this idea about the God in todays bible begin… fairly recently… I don’t have any beliefs in gods… don’t belong to any religious, social, cultural, political groups… The question I ask when I have the opportunity is, “Why would anyone care about anything other people make up?”
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I was born into the ultra-high control religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses and have had very real experiences with the symptoms you mention above. Indoctrination through fear, isolation from all worldly people and their worldly things(read: anyone non-JW), then the ultimate punishment of total shunning when one decides to stop attending the required five kingdom hall meetings a week. Now take that and add childhood sexual abuse, a traumatic brain injury or two, and a horrific marriage marked by domestic violence akin to torture and all I can say is thanks be to god that I am actually still alive. See, not all RTS survivors are atheists. RTS is very real and the consequences are very devastating.
GREAT POST! Keep on going!
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Very eye-opening post and I learned a lot. I started reading, expecting maybe an article on scrupulosity, but instead learned so much about RTS….it all makes sense to me. Keep up the great work you are doing to help people!
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Wow!! It is so comforting to know that others experienced this problem as well and that there is now a name for it and something can hopefully be done. It has been so lonely to try and explain this to people. Obviously my religious friends and family could not begin to understand how I felt when I really let go of Christianity and most other people are or were just casually religious or not religious. It is a very specific group of individuals that is affected by this syndrome in my opinion. It would have to be someone like myself who made their religion their whole life growing up as the religion commands and then realize that it’s all bullshit in adulthood and have to learn who you really are. When I left religion I had no idea who I was anymore because my whole self identity was entangled with my belief in Jesus/God. I was intensely resentful towards churches and my family. I became very angry and spent a lot of time fighting with Christians. Being raised as an evangelist, I just flipped the switch from Christian to atheist and continued my evangelism. It was hard to let go of the black and white view of the world. I also was flooded with true knowledge such as evolutionary biology that I had ignored all my life because my church had told me it was against god. It was intensely overwhelming and became my obsession. I have worked through much of my anger, depression and bitterness stemming from religion but I there are some problems that I often feel will be with me for life. As I mentioned earlier, it is lonely and feels hopeless due to the religious majority that rules this country.
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I´m a former spiritual speaker and I left it for the same reason the realisation that the new age is just another religion in another package that promotes all the psychological abuse and violence that this author mentioned in this article. It is shocking to see how having a belief even a good belief becomes our oppressor something that abuses and controls us renders us unable to think but through the filter of our ideals. Which also ends up making us blind or with severe tunnel vision. I saw how having beliefs in religion and new age always lead to either self abuse or an abusive relationship with another person it also encourage and promotes the abuser while the victims are told to be more loving send love and light or with religions case turn the other cheek love your enemies but love does not mean think or understand just take more abuse and live in hope and faith that they will stop abusing you but that never happens and always makes things worse for these people. its a classic pattern and I am wondering why no one can see it? The problem is that when we have a belief no matter what it is we are not thinking we become blind followers falling in the same pot hole blaming ourselves or some imaginary enemy. Of course when one has a belief system they must have the opposite belief that creates the internal conflict like pendulum fluctuating back and forth rendering us exhausted, then we get some rest and the whole dirty pattern starts again. We are unable to think historically either, or how many have cried and died because of this loving jesus and god, not to mention the fear behind having such a belief. How many people in the past were tortured and starved and killed so we would accept Christ? All that violence, blood, fear, and insanity is on every believers hands. are we responsible for the billions who have suffered cause of this and how we are further promoting this violence and repression by promoting our faiths which is really promoting Stockholm Syndrome?
Also I wonder how many read the bible? I´m very concerned when I hear people say they want to be like god or jesus when there is overwhelming accounts of violence, bi-polarity, petty, racist insecure, psychopathic attributes of these characters that it seems is always over looked or used for fear or we just look at the bible the way our pastor wants us to as they conveniently skip those parts. You would think a supreme god would be over those things but apparently not so no wonder with so many wanting to striving to be like these man made intentional ideas that we have taken on all these characteristics as well.
the invention of god has single handily led to us feeling like we have the right to destroy the planet and all the life on it as well such beliefs have made us a culture of extreme negligence.
why aren´t these things taught in school? We were not born with belief systems, they have sure done a number to our psyche spending our whole life trying to undo the psychological damage.
think about these things.
No animal cares about beliefs builds temples or goes to war, nor did we care about these things when we were kids.
If we do not understand the root of the problem and just focus on the solutions then the solution no matter what it is will always turn into and add to the problem.
So many follow such beliefs cause they want to do good and be good they think by doing and following certain things that they are helping I did to but then I found out how its actually doing more harm then good, and making things profoundly worse and unnecessary all because we refuse to think because we know longer know how to think because we are afraid to think.
I saw a sign at a church that said thinking is evil…. Are you kidding me?
Since when did thinking become evil and something to fear?
There is so much I an say on this subject but I will stop there. I just also wanted to add that now I am speaking out and exposing the dangers of following with out thinking and have started a project called The EOF Project or the End Of Fear, in which we dismantle and dissects our beliefs and confusions so as to understand and see how we have been told what to think rather then how to think. If we know how to think then we can see these psychological pot holes/mine fields a mile away. We are working with Universities on this as well as it must be profoundly investigated and understood.
for more information our websites are here if anyone wants to contact me I am open to it and i will be writing the author here personally as well.
http://WWW.EOFPROJECT.ORG
http://www.jessicamystic.com
http://endoffear.weebly.com/
This Blog is Awesome! Thank you!
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“Also I wonder how many read the bible? I´m very concerned when I hear people say they want to be like god or jesus when there is overwhelming accounts of violence, bi-polarity, petty, racist insecure, psychopathic attributes of these characters that it seems is always over looked or used for fear or we just look at the bible the way our pastor wants us to as they conveniently skip those parts.”
It’s not necessarily that people haven’t read it (though that could very well often be the case). I have read the entire bible several times in my life. Yet I mentally justified the “unsavory” parts about God’s character, because I was taught that God is beyond our understanding and perfectly good so anything he did or decreed or approved of had to be good, even if I didn’t understand it. I was reading it through a filter of this belief. I watched one of Betty Bowers’ videos a couple of weeks ago, and so many of the scriptures she referenced were ones that I didn’t remember or had just glossed over!
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I have a unique situation. My wife has been very domineering in my oldest daughters life. For as long as I can remember, what seemed like a loving mother teaching her child to read, then into other basics of math, and language, has transformed into what I consider a complete and utter living vicariously through my oldest daughter. Standards are extremely high for my daughter by her mother and with homeschooling, she has been drilling this extreme excellence, and inability to let my daughter to fail.
In addition, it extends into other parenting like doing chores, or housework. My wife is constantly on my oldest daughter to do everything completely with complete and utter obedience. My wife demands instant replies to questions, is a complete helicopter parent ensuring that everything that is expected of my daughter is done to moms liking. I feel helpless in this situation and I have tried to talk to my wife, but it ends up in either a heated battle or my wife pointing out the fact that I have the problem, and not my wife.
I am prepared to walk out on my wife in less than two weeks, because the love is not there anymore, and I can’t stand living with her anymore. My mind is made up, and my wife knows it, but still wants to control the situation. She wants me to stay – of course – but not because she loves me, but to keep providing for her to stay home and homeschool our girls. Oh, my oldest has graduated high school at the tender age of 15. Okay, now what is she going to do?
I have tried to be the man of the household, to say my other two girls are going to public school, but my wife appears to be loading up her proverbial weapons so when it comes time to register, she will find any reason to fire the arguments off to not allow them to go to public school.
My oldest girl is clearly struggling with her faith. I am no longer a man of faith, and I can see the hurt and emptiness that my daughter is feeling. She is apologizing for the silliest stuff. And she asks for forgiveness, like I have some spiritual superiority over her. My wife says that you need to forgive so you don’t harbor any bitterness. I say the things she asks forgiveness for are absolutely not needed. I chalk it up to her learning, and don’t feel the need to send out forgiveness. It is hard to explain on a post, but I am really annoyed by my wife’s demand that my girls always asking for forgiveness for the most silly offenses.
So, I guess, I am asking for some advice about what I should do with my wife. I believe that no matter what happens, I will be leaving my wife. She is not healthy, and refuses to go to any counseling. We tried to go to two sessions with a family counselor, and was resistant at both sessions. I realized then that I did not love her anymore, and wanted out.
Please, if you have any questions or know how I should handle this situation, I would appreciate any help. This appears to be an awesome site/blog! Thanks!
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Hi James –
I’m so sorry you’re having to go through all of this. Trying to figure out how to take care of yourself and your kids through a separation process would be hard enough without these extra worries. What you are describing certainly doesn’t sound healthy, and I can see why you would want your children to get some breathing room–including public school. My biggest advice to you would be to take your feelings and concerns seriously. Find someone who can really help you think through this process: how to hold firm about the things that really matter and compromise on the things that don’t, and how to tell the difference. Especially, you will want to discuss what to tell your children and when, and how to structure things as well as possible for them. If you liked and trusted the family counselor, that would be a good person to ask for a referral. Also, this is a time to really give yourself permission to ask for support from friends or relatives who love you.
Give how you describe your wife, my guess is that she may be part of an authoritarian church community, and if so she may ask other people to talk with you, to change your mind. You should feel free to say no to such conversations, or to insist that you be allowed to bring a trusted friend, or that the conversations happen in the presence of your therapist so that you have someone to help you stay anchored to your own your thoughts and feelings and to process things afterwards.
It sounds like one of the better things that could happen to your 15 year old would be for her to have her next phase of schooling be one where she is free to start expressing her own opinions and ideas. It also sounds like she is an intelligent and capable girl, and she might value genuine conversation with you about the changes in your family. Bashing your wife, her mom may only make her feel trapped between you, but it may be important to be honest about the things that weren’t working. And remember it’s always ok to say “I don’t know or I’m still figuring that out; I’ve never been in this situation before.”
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Valerie:
Thank you so much for this blog! It is awesome. It is exactly what I have needed to read. You are doing a wonderful service if you can call it that. I am much clearer in my understanding about RTS than before, and that I have experienced it first hand.
What you have said is exactly what I am planning to do. I do have friends that are helping me with what is going on. They see the danger in me staying around, especially for my health, and of course the danger to my children. I do believe that a therapist would be beneficial, but would it be best to go to a Psychologist, Psychiatrist or therapist?
For the sake of the blog, I will try to stick to how this relates to Religious Trauma Syndrome.
I would say that through all my learnings in life, when I heard about religion, I thought I was missing out on the real meaning of life. Like I wasn’t part of that special priveleged group that I wasn’t really making it in life, and of course I wouldn’t make the “afterlife.” So, I bought the message hook line and sinker in 1996. For about 4 years or so after that, I dove in full bore into the bible and Jesus.
Through all my studies of other material, such as the plentiful Christian media, prophecy, and radio show hosts, other souces of information, etc. I learned that maybe life in general isn’t entirely what the Christian people are telling me. I went to many different denominations, and these churches seemed to be quite empty from my perspective. If the Bible gave us all the answers, why do these people seem to not have any answers, or only the typical one answer that doesn’t really satisfy? No one shared my quest for answers to the deeper questions. Not even the pastors. I thought that the Church should be the first place I should get truth, shouldn’t it? I didn’t get it.
To make a long story short, in about 2008 around lunchtime, after about 8 years of reading, and learning, I came to the conclusion that the structured church setting wasn’t for me. No matter what church leaders said, I thought they were biased, and part of a (for lack of a better term) mind control community. Of course I never shared that view with anyone, and on that day, I had the most traumatizing emotional event in my life. To realize that everything I knew to be true was false. The whole way of life, belief structure, the everything. I nearly had a nervous breakdown. I was at work, by the way which added to the stress, so no one could see me like that I tried to hide it.
Through all that, I struggled how to handle this new found conclusion. About three years ago, I decided to share this view I had with my wife. Of course, I heard it all. I’m a heathen, going to hell, and I am an immoral person now all of a sudden.
Yeah, that really helped me. So, I decided to go back to church thinking it was a phase I was going through, and since I really don’t like confrontation, I went for the family, to keep the peace so to speak. I kept the peace, but still was torn inside about what to do. About a year ago or so, I decided not to go to church anymore, period. That was another even in my wife’s issues with me. Repeat all the accusations, again. Not willing to try to understand me, no. She judged me as this horrible person, and doomed to hell.
I met what I consider a great friend now, but he is an agnostic. I never realized what they believed, but his questions to me helped me to rid myself of the control structure of the church. To clean my mind, to think with reason and logic. To get rid of the bias and tradition that never progresses.
With all this going on, last August, My wife and I went to two counseling sessions which I thought would either help or at least help me understand whether to work on our marriage or not. What the sessions did do is they made me realize that it was not worth working on my marriage for my health’s sake. Our differing belief structures or better said my lack of belief is what is one of the issues at the core of why I want to leave. I never left because my wife is homeschooling our three daughters, and I didn’t want to upset their school year by me leaving. Now that summer is here, it is time to move out. Before school starts in August.
You said above that “My biggest advice to you would be to take your feelings and concerns seriously.”
I did that in that second counseling sessions when my feelings told me that I don’t love my wife anymore. That whole event was disturbing because I finally came to grips with that feeling, and accepted what it was. I have had that feeling for years before that, justifying to suppress that feeling because I am supposed to love my wife. I have children, it is wrong for me to not love her, so I carried on the lie to myself. I lied to all of my family, and worst of all to myself. That made me a miserable person. I verbally lashed out at times to help justify my feelings, but once I realized my feelings were genuine, I accepted them, and I am trying to move on.
My wife is not in a domineering church. Quite the contrary, it is very kind, loving, and non judgemental. That is the confusing part. I believe that my wife has standards for herself and her children that are well above any normal society’s standards. They are set so high that she can’t even reach them, let alone her children. Of course she has those standards for everyone in our family, including myself.
It is my opinion that my wife is like this because she is holding things from her past against herself, that she is trying to help my oldest daughter avoid the pitfalls of life that she would discover in her youth (sin, sex, swearing, whatever). She is very negative, judgmental, domineering, critical of others, strict. The term I used in the first post does not give what is going on any justice. If there ever was a term that was an understatement, it is that she is living vicariously through my oldest daughter. I told my wife back in 2006, and 2007 that if she continued this way, she would lose her daughter. So far, it hasn’t happened, but the day of reckoning is coming. It is inevitable now. My daughter’s thoughts are so secret, she is terrified of sharing anything for fear of the negativity, and critical nature of my wife. She is holding it in, and not talking in a lot of situations, my oldest has very few friends if any. She has no time to spend with them, anyway. She doesn’t call any other girls, or anything like that. I am so heartbroken for her. I want to get her so far away from her mother so she can heal, but I don’t know how to do that. The only thing I feel I can do now is leave, so that is what I am doing at this point.
What my wife does not realize is that my daughter HAS to go through those tough things early in her life in order to understand people, and of course understand herself, so when she gets older she can handle tough situations. I believe that my wife is prolonging the struggle my daughter will inevitably go through later, and it will be that much more difficult because it won’t be at a child level it will be at an adult level, where the consequences of wrong choices will be much greater.
I weep for my oldest daughter, and she has absolutely no ability to understand any of this even if I talk to her.
You say Religious Trauma Syndrome. Is there a stronger term to define this? I feel it is not truly indicative of the pain that it causes.
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I don’t know if I suffered from Religious Trauma, but I am still working through some very bad religious experiences. I still have difficulty getting involved in any church group activities. I keep somewhat separate from other members due to the bad experiences I had. I was ostracized by other young people, as my parents were rather poor and most of the members were well to do and were mostly Southern bred Christians, and my parents were newcomers. I was raised in a very fundamental legalistic, Christian Church. The members and leaders were not bad, but were so legalistic, that I never felt good about myself. I remember feeling “spiritually depressed” most of the time. I stayed with the church until my parents passed away and have now in my late 50’s found a church that is a great place to worship God. I leave feeling good. I want to do more for God. I don’t feel weak, guilty and impure as I did previously. It is sad that I had to spend 55 years in a place that stifled my soul. It is so important for each of us to search for the right life with God for ourselves and not stay for family or habit.
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I was born and raised in an apostolic cult, (LWAF) in Chicago,IL and it has pretty much ruined my life. All the man made rules and teachings that were instilled in me as a small child has been the cause of some serious psychological issues. I think I got it worse than anyone because I was born into it, and both my parents are ministers/ pastors. All my life I have felt out of place because I was told that I was different than everyone else. I was kept from outside family members(cousins, aunts, and uncles) that were not a part of our religion. We were told that watching television was a sin, wearing jewelry was a sin, women were not allowed to cut their hair or wear paints or makeup. We were not allowed to date, and could not even wear a wedding band or engagement ring. Couples had to get the pastor’s approval before engagement and marriage, and had to marry with a watch instead of a ring. I am glad I found this site, I feel better knowing there is nothing wrong with me and that all these issues were caused by a religious cult. I still believe in God and choose to do right instead of wrong, but I now know that I was a victim of people’s ignorance.
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What an ordeal. So many people, even many who aren’t religious think that religion is benign. They just have no idea of the emotional and psychological cost many pay–how it can derail a person’s life for years or even decades–how some spend a lifetime healing. I’m so glad you have found a better path.
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All religions should be banned, and every place of worship should be torn down, with a mental rehabilitation center erected in its place. Free help-courtesy of the religions which destroyed people.
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That seems a bit extreme, but I do fantasize sometimes about holding religious institutions accountable legally for the harm they do and for false advertising.
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It is so unfortunate that the U.S.’ insistence (right though it is) upon “freedom of religion” has had the bad side effect of shielding religious groups from being held accountable the way they should be.
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P.S. In some other countries, mind control is actually illegal, and this has worked well in shutting down abusive groups. In Germany (I think), this is how Scientology was stamped out!
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I became a christian through an assemblies church that was tied in heavily to YWAM.years later i went to YWAM. I ended up having panic attacks for a year and on medication.I have never fully recovered from the pschological damage.there were times in my life when I was not attending church and just living my own life was when I was the most happiest.Sometimes fundamentalism brings a lot of stress into your life.
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There are times that I felt that preachers in general just want to get at your pocetbook, and they are experts at it.At my old A of G church I was told that the pastor was yelling” Where have you robbed me,you have robbed me in tithes and offerings!”I had left years ago but heard from a member.I have been to so many bad churches,I think that the assemblys of god and pentecostal churches are one of the worst.They teach that you can lose your salvation.I remember listening to a kieth green concert in the 70;s and thinking this guy is whacked.Very extreme teaching.If I had known what I know now, I would have taken some courses in psychology and became a dive instructor/yoga instructor in hawaii.
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YWAM SUCKS!!!!! I wish that somone would do a documentary on this harm
ful dangerous group!heavy handed leadership and brain-washing is their calling card.
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Roalnd, I would also not recommend YWAM. My mom was part of the group in her younger days. She is a very devoted Christian still, but do not agree with YWAM’s “brainwashing” methods and also what we believe to be the misuse of the Bible to propagate personal ideologies. I am also not a fan of things like the Keswick movement. A lot of “spiritual Christians” may disagree – but I believe that an academic degree in Theology is essential when one wants to pursue a career in ministry. Although I obviously believe in a spiritual element of Christianity, a leader who claims his knowledge comes exclusively from “spiritual revelation” makes me nervous. It is too easy to use that as an excuse for “personal opinion.” I believe that Jesus was the first example in that regard. He knew the Torah by the age of 12 already (which is a considerable amount to know by heart). We are required to love the Lord with all our heart (spiritual), mind (academic) and strength (practical) – totally different from what A LOT of cultists are propagating.
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I can relate to Dr. Tarico on many aspects of experience. My wife became a born again Christian 3 years ago. Since then it has had an adverse effect on our marriage. Is the religion to blame, or is my wife crazy? This is the question that constantly needs to be addressed. From all of the people I have encountered in her congregation, they all share some strange similarity and yet, they are quite diverse ethnically. They all come from tragic upbringings whether it be dysfunctional families, violence, multiple broken marriages, trauma, tragedy or some other life altering experiences that drew them to the church. I see them as injured children who are constantly seeking approval, love and acceptance.
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I thought it was just me..
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Religious abuse does a lot of damage to people to say the least.
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I know what she is talking about first hand. I am a victim of religious abuse. I still suffer the effects of it.
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Jesus died to cover the inequity of our Guilt and wrongdoings. He came to set us free from all of that. He is the healthy way. Unfortunately, Organized Religion has generated a class of professional people who make their living off of the guilt and sin of the people. There is money, glory and recognition and the ability to become a someone by doing religious activities. It’s too bad that the motivation for all of this is to cover up personal guilt and inadequacy. Jesus never had that in mind. He came to protect and nurture. He wants us to be like him by us letting Him be in us. It is ok to call sin sin, and go to him because we need His perspective to be whole. So He works in me minute by minute, much like any good counselor which folks might look to. It is sad to see so much mis-directed guilt ridden religion over what is a good thing. Many religious people have a hard time believing that they are forgiven (I’m not talking about breaking of religious rules made up by men, but true wrong doings, which we have all done and know about.) They refuse to accept God’s forgiveness and healing in Jesus Christ. They would rather proceed to make their own religious garments of activities to cover everything, including false guilt. In the process the ones who proclaim the Christ, whom they really don’t believe in, damage many people through manipulative guilt.
We need to get back to basics as Christians. Christ died for us because He loves us despite our sorry state, and wants us to believe in Him as The Counselor. He came to heal the sick, including sick in heart. The ones that need Jesus the most, are the ones who refuse let him in (Frequently the most religious). All that is required is that to agree with His assessment and offer and follow Him. As for me, I have had enough of religion, but I really need Jesus all the time, not because of guilt, but because He (and only He) is really good! And I like His way.
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Doesn’t it strike you as a bit arrogant to say that you know what Jesus intended, when scholars have a hard time even piecing together when and where he existed, if he did? Does it not strike you as a bit arrogant to assert, while making handed down assertions about Jesus based on handed down texts, that your religion, unlike all the others, somehow isn’t a religion?
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Worth following.
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Great Post. I believe that I am dealing with RTS right now as the result of going through 2 years at a Christian faith based addiction rehabilitation program. This program isolated me from my family and told me that God would heal me through my faith. I was told that the sooner I said the sinner’s prayer the sooner Christ would begin working in my life.. Myself and the other men in the program were completely immersed in Christian doctrine with very little contact to the outside world for the entire program. The staff at the facility were completely untrained and uneducated in dealing with addiction and recovery and I was constantly told that I had to pray harder to be released from my troubles. I was told that relapse was a result of my sin nature and that I wasn’t trusting enough in Him if I had thoughts of using again. Fear of the ‘real world’ was a constant teaching and formal accredited education was taught to be full of untruths and lies. Science and evidence were taught to be some kind of conspiracy by the non believers and ultimately by the enemy satan.. I watched many men come and go, most feeling more angry and hopeless than they were before they arrived. Most including myself relapsed shortly after leaving the program and when we did were offered little help other than returning for another year long program where we were to be paraded around churches giving testimonies that generated sponsorship from the Christian communities and working for free to bring money into the program. This experience has been nothing but traumatic for me and as a result I am more isolated from my children and direct family that ever before. I have sought out professional counseling and am currently dealing with my issues. I have walked away from the church but feel very alone, judged and let down. How could I have been so stupid to believe in this. This ‘recovery’ program has had a extremely negative affect on me and your article has helped because I now see that I’m not alone in the way I feel. Thank you
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How horrible. I am sorry and angry that you had to go through that.
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“How could I have been so stupid to believe in this.”
You are not stupid. It can happen to anyone! It is not your fault that they controlled and abused you. And in the end, you were smart enough to leave.
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Thankyou for this. I’ve been searching for this info. I grew up in an extremely full on assembly of god church. ( as in there would be meetings/ prayer/ music practice/ revival meetings etc pretty much every day.) I feel as though I was brainwashed in a damaging way. I left 13 years ago and I still haven’t completely recovered from the negative pattern of thought, constant self analysis and self loathing and guilt and anxiety
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So Thankyou for writing this, its good to know other people understand and that thewhat I’ve been feeling is an actual thing. I spent a long time feeling shellshocked, trying to make sense of the world and build up my own identity.
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I highly recommend counseling with a licensed psychotherapist. It helped me tremendously when I got out of the cult I was in to overcome the resulting PTSD, and to gain a healthy, positive view of myself.
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Hello , I’m a Filipino .. I feel lonely in my life . I can’t understand my Mom she’s very religious pentecostal/Born again .. But my Father was not a religious man . Our family is broken . I lived alone from ny family .coz my mom work in abroad she left me here in her friend they are very religious , Her friend is a birn again Christian . She enrolled me in ministry even if im not ready . I can’t say no because I don’t want my Mom to be disappoint to me . Please help me . I can’t get out of this life .
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Hi Jean-
I am so sorry that you are in this situation. At this point in your life, your best path may be simply to learn what you can (whatever is of value) from the people around you, and bide your time with regard to religion. Think of using where you are as a stepping stone to where you want to be. I went to an evangelical college and in hindsight the insider understanding of Christianity has been helpful to me as a psychologist and as someone who now seeks to help those in recovery from fundamentalism. Understanding the Bible and the way that religion can capture the emotions–or understanding how religion builds community–these are very valuable in understanding human nature and the course of history and politics. So, if you are interested in any of these broader areas of knowledge, perhaps you might think of your present course of studies as research. Until you find like minded people and are free to associate with them, you may have to rely on virtual, on-line communities for the company of kindred people. There are places specific to recovering from religion–like ExChristian.net. There are also many websites for people who are simply curious. I imbedded a bunch of links of this sort in my article, https://valerietarico.com/2013/01/18/religion-may-not-survive-the-internet/.
Warmly,
Valerie
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Great article. I got PTSD as a result of my membership in a Christian cult, and it’s all the same symptoms. But calling it RTS is a good way of putting it in a specific context in order to treat it correctly. It’s really hard when people come out of an authoritarian church or cult or other religious group, and are completely on their own with it, don’t even realize what they were in, or try to get help from people who don’t have knowledge for this kind of trauma. The more knowledgeable support that is out there for us, the better!
I joined the cult (ICOC) in 1990 and left it in 2004. In 1997 I started having panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. When I finally went to the doctor about the attacks, he prescribed Celexa and that was all that was done (I never would have dared to talk about suicidal thoughts with “lost non-members”–to the outside world I had to act happy!). After leaving the group, I sought counseling at the behest of my husband who saw that I had become anti-social and depressed over a few years. In the first or second session (in which I cried almost constantly), my counselor (a Christian) said to me, “You were in a cult, and you have PTSD.” Whoa!! In that one sentence it was like I had been released from a tiny jail cell and was free out in the bright sun for the first time since I joined. I had a LOT of healing to do but my worldview was changed. Over the next 2 years I continued counseling, and did a lot of studying about cults, spiritual abuse and recovery from them. I participated in an online forum about the ICOC and it was great to commune with other ex-members. I am actually glad that I saw a Christian counselor because she at least knew the basic doctrine and the commonalities that all churches share, and didn’t try to influence/change my religious beliefs (which I did on my own). All my PTSD symptoms were gone after 2 years.
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Thanks for the piece! If you are interested in connecting, check out some of the work I’m doing on a bit broader of a concept called spiritual abuse: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2015/02/spiritual-abuse-yes-its-a-real-thing/
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Thank you for this article, it is very insightful. As a former evangelical, I do agree with much of what you wrote. A book called, ‘Toxic Faith’, as well makes similar observations. I’ve seen or experienced firsthand some of the abuses (including marriage destroying by outsiders). I will suggest that RTS is not confined to evangelicalism, but also pentecostal branches (observed from my counseling practice). Truthfully, real faith is not defined by labels but by a heart of compassion, kindness, and generosity; it was modeled, though isn’t much followed, by Christ.
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Oh, how I wish I had a counselor for myself for this specific thing:
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i have a question and i don’t want to hear anything about this god or that god, i know a young woman who was extremely smart and had even gotten her own book published. Her father was a shamon and her mother was a catholic. when she finally moved out of her mother’s house, she opened up about being a “in the closest wiccan”. That was 3 years ago. i recently talked to her after hearing that she was at the doctors office and learned that she was going on a daily basis for stomach uclers, inablilty to sleep, trouble focusing, lack of apatite and anti social desires when normally she was a very social person. I thought it was just stress and said so and she said they ruled that one out. I asked about the guy who was with her and it was her boyfriend who she said she loved. Thats when she said that she had decided to give up her wiccan ways and become a christian like him in order to improve their relationship. She figured that if she wasn’t talking to nature or doing her chanting and mediating thing and actually agreed that there was one god, and a male god, the relationship would greatly improve. my question is this, Is it possible that the sudden change in religion from something that made her extremely happy to something that she didn’t honestly believe cause her to become so sickly?
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Hi Nora –
That does sound like an enormous loss and change for her, and I’m guessing that her doctor might be exploring a similar set of questions. Even if there is another physical cause for her symptoms, I have to wonder about emotional health issues. When someone gives up that much of herself to be with another person, I find myself wondering why she would give up so much? Was she already wounded in some way? Is something keeping her from being able to live by her own yearnings and aspirations and sense of what is real?
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Valerie, I love your work, having myself survived my first 20 years of being raised a fundamentalist zealot and left it to become – to my own surprise – atheist, and then to evolve in a direction some might call spiritual, though atheist it remains in any literal sense.
I have a question regarding the non-theist congregations. It’s my observation that most of fundamentalist christianity is a cult of authority – mostly patriarchal – with “God” serving as the booming scary voice of the Wizards of Oz – the pastors. It’s also important to not just have enough of a bad experience – “This church is horribly abusive!” – but to see through the curtain and exit, not to another rival organization with the exact same problems under other names, but to a different way of operating.
I think non-hierarchical, community-consensus groups that have learned the lessons of human hierarchies of power and fear under the guise of “putting God first” are the necessary counter to religious abuse.
Do you see reconfiguring our methods of social congregation as a primary tool to counter abusive religious structures?
Also, have you ever read M. Scott Peck’s book “People of the Lie”? It will likely foster some complicated reactions particularly on the subject of exorcism, but he makes comments about how easy-in church conversions and authority structures create an all-too-convenient cover for malignant sociopaths to operate behind.
Since malignant religion is a human creation, how do we avoid creating another trap for ourselves when we leave it?
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That is a great question, because I think there is a risk in people gathering around charismatic figures and oversimplified life scripts whether those include the supernatural element or not. I think of communism, for example, as a secular economic philosophy that took on many of the characteristics of a religion, replete with dogmas, saints, sins, etc. There are models for spiritual gatherings that are not hierarchical — the Quaker meeting, for example–but they tend to be less viral, I think for that very reason.
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“how do we avoid creating another trap for ourselves when we leave it?”
On an individual level, I think the person needs to clearly recognize the organization as abusive, and know what “red flags” to look for in other groups in order to be able to avoid being pulled in by another one. A few red flag examples would be: a claim to have a corner on the true or best beliefs/way of living, bashing other religions or other church denominations, an emphasis on leader authority and infallibility, and a fundamentalist view of the bible. If they attend an event and see any of those things (among others) those would be good reasons to stay away.
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Oh, and like you pointed out, the leadership structure is a VERY good indicator as well.
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Good luck with finding an organization or group that isn’t. As with Christianity, in order to protect the ideals of that said group, you cannot allow dissenters to stay. They threaten your very existence, aside from outright straight up disobedience. It causes chaos in that group. Most people cannot understand the red flags let alone care.
I understand why they protect their group, but only if what they stood on was truth, or had some basis in fact. Then they could effectively argue for it. The problem with Christian groups, religions or sects is they believe they have the truth. Belief is not fact. Faith is not evidence. To them facts only muddy the waters, and if you bring in those facts or that confusion, what they stand on would be washed away.
I have been there too many times to count, and their groups cannot effectively mount an argument with any true logic, but it doesn’t matter. All they need is their faith. It conquers all.
Talk about mind control!!
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After leaving the Christian cult I was in for 14 years, I did extensive research on cults and spiritual abuse as part of my healing process. Based on that as well as my own experiences I have to disagree with you on this one. The majority of churches do not use mind control or exercise any unethical influence over their members. Most traditional denominations are not abusively controlling. For example, I grew up Presbyterian and it is about as liberal as you can get as far as the complete equity and autonomy of its members, accountability of its leadership, and its extremely loose interpretation of the bible. A few do lean that way, such as Southern Baptists and Pentecostals. But most do not.
There IS a level of control in any religion simply based on the fact that you are confined to the worldview and lifestyle that is allowed by your beliefs. However, this does not mean that all religion causes psychological harm, as abusive mind control groups do. It can be a breeding ground for abuse, but it doesn’t have to be abusive. There are also mind control groups that aren’t based on religion; Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT), for example.
Here is a paper I wrote about how to know if a group is a destructive cult. There are certain characteristics they all share. http://ourgazebo.net/amysalcove/How%20to%20Tell%20if%20a%20Group%20is%20a%20Destructive%20Cult.pdf
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P.S. This is not to say that harm cannot occur in a group that doesn’t use mind control. For example, children growing up with a fear of hell. I took this very seriously as a kid, even though my extremely religiously liberal parents didn’t personally believe in hell. But I took it to heart just from what I overheard or learned in our churches or friends’ churches that I visited. Also, I don’t think kids should watch movies about the crucifixion. Even the most “benign” ones are very difficult for children, who learned all about Jesus in Sunday School and love him more than Santa. I think the most harm in “normal” groups is to children. This stuff is just too heavy for their developing psyches.
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I’m following your comments with interest. I too escaped a Christian cult and have done extensive reading on the subject. From my own experiences of what happened to me, what I witnessed happening to others, and what I document almost daily on my blog, I’m convinced that it is not just the extremist and fundamentalist Christian churches, sects and cults that harm people.
If you haven’t read it yet, “Deadly Doctrine: Health, Illness, and Christian God-Talk” is an excellent analysis of how even moderate Christian dogma can cause extreme problems. It’s written by a clinical psychologist and his analysis of Christianity is based on the mainstream Anglican church.
http://www.prometheusbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=935&zenid=m67agqmkiejc4b9oi04ca8lon3
“The Christian religion presents itself as the way to contentment, spiritual health, and salvation. But is this really true? Dr. Wendell Watters offers a powerful argument, based on his many years of clinical experience with individuals, couples, and families, that Christianity’s influence actually militates against human development in such vital areas as self-esteem, sexuality, and social interactions. The tragic end result of Christian conditioning is too often antisocial behavior, sexual dysfunction, poor psychological development, anxiety, and even major psychiatric illness.”
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Sorry for the multiple entries… wish there was a way to edit the original comment! Anyway, Presbyterians even believe that other religions are another pathway to God; that Jesus is not in fact the ONLY way. I’m not sure which, if any, other denominations believe this. I think Lutherans and Methodists. Fundamentalists make up just under half of the U.S. Christian population, and just 30% worldwide. Non-fundies have a much less rigid interpretation of the bible and do not believe it all to be the “literal” word of God.
At the end of my paper on cults is this quote which kind of sums it up:
“Within a healthy religious environment, family bonds are upheld and even strengthened,
questioning of the leader and basic tenets is accepted, and the leader lives in a similar manner to the followers. One is offered all the information necessary to make an educated decision about joining, and once involved, people can choose the amount of involvement that feels right to them. A cultic environment tears families apart, does not accept any questioning, and has a leader who claims to have an exalted position and to be above reproach. The cult is designed to solely advance its own goals, to abuse the members’ trust, and to use fear and shame to manipulate the followers. It freely utilizes deceptive techniques while recruiting new members and fundraising, misuses scripture, and declares other belief systems as false. Because it is not under the umbrella of a recognized religion, there is no governing body and the leader is, therefore, free to do as he or she pleases.” – CultClinic.org
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There are so many sides to this & I am so saddened to hear how many times this has been people’s experiences. My heart breaks that so many have missed the heart of God through “man” & “his ways.” I hate to be the bringer of bad news but that’s all of us. Those men we speak about, those people who hurt intentionally & unintentionally, who control situations & who judge..that’s all of us. And to say you don’t do it too is just lying to yourself. How many times have you walked down the road & judged someone’s hair or clothing? How many times have you hurt a friend? We are all human beings, not doings & although I have experienced this myself in a lot of ways, I can’t help but be humbled by how much we need this Jesus bloke in our world. Forget what we think religion looks like. Have you experienced his joy? His love? His peace? I have. And I’ve never been the same. Now before you write me off too & join the judgement bandwagon, bear with me. My last year has been horrible. An abusive ex husband who used religion as a cover for his own mistakes, a mask he so eloquently wore so well. I too have been through religious control at its finest, the wrong people getting awards for all the wrong things. Promoted for what? Doing what we were called to do..love others. But I’m telling you, I prefer to have a gentle heart than an unforgiving, ungracious & bitter one. I would prefer to take what has been done, & let Jesus turn the mess into a message. Yes it’s not ideal, no I would have preferred not to go through it but I am reminded..His perfections cover our imperfections & we are all imperfect people. Although it’s not an excuse for behaviour, people operate out of what they know to believe to be true at the time, don’t we all? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, sometimes you’re blind when you’re right in the middle of it. Everyone definitely is on their own journey. The church needs Jesus just like the world does, we all do. That God gap can’t be filled by anyone but Him. I’m so sorry that the love of the father wasn’t reflected in the heart of the people, now we have a choice to be that for someone else. Hugs xx
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ANY belief system built on self-deception is harmful. Dysfunctional families often live on a web of lies. See if there is a malignant narcissist at the center. They project their symptoms onto others.
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Glad there’s a name for it and is getting more attention. But these phenomena have been observed and documented for decades going all the way back to Carl Jung (Freud’s protege) who observed that too much conscious control exerted over the basic instincts, like food and sex (two things that almost every religion tries to control in one form or another, that is, what you are allowed to eat or drink or put in your body, and who, when and how you are allowed to have sex) results in neurosis. He didn’t say “increased the likelihood”. Simply stated an inevitable cause and effect. It is no coincidence that the majority of child sexual abuse takes place in the bible belt where the prevailing religions shame sexuality. As Jung pointed out, your subconscious demands to be dealt with, so the things you repress tend to come back but in a mutated, perverse form of it’s original state. Unhealthy religions are basically neurosis factories.
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Glad there’s a name for it and is getting more attention. But these phenomena have been observed and documented for decades going all the way back to Carl Jung (Freud’s protege) who observed that too much conscious control exerted over the basic instincts, like food and sex (two things that almost every religion tries to control in one form or another, that is, what you are allowed to eat or drink or put in your body, and who, when and how you are allowed to have sex) results in neurosis. He didn’t say “increased the likelihood”. Simply stated an inevitable cause and effect. It is no coincidence that the majority of child sexual abuse takes place in the bible belt where the prevailing religions shame sexuality. As Jung pointed out, your subconscious demands to be dealt with, so the things you repress tend to come back but in a mutated, perverse form of it’s original state. Unhealthy religions are basically neurosis factories.
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as in… what you resist, persists. Of course that’s too simplistic, but that is what happens to anyone resisting instinctive impulses without self-empowerment, i.e., under duress. It is, of course, in the nature of an empowered human to choose this or that over one’s basic desires, but for that to be a real choice, it must be entirely free of compulsory external force. Self-empowerment, sadly, is not something taught in Christianity and perhaps was lost a long time ago to the entire planet. It is my understanding that the “ancient” Buddhist monks practiced that sort of thing, before they made the Buddha into a god. The “problem” with self-empowerment is that it does not fit within any collective agenda, regardless of how basic (family unit) or large (empire) that collective is.
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“Self-empowerment, sadly, is not something taught in Christianity”
No – the opposite is taught! Because that’s what the bible teaches. Submit, submit, submit. You are sinful by nature and you can’t do anything without God. You must submit to God, submit to men (if you’re a woman), submit to your leaders… Of course, the degree to which the submission to other people is ENFORCED by a Christian group is the degree to which abuse occurs in that group.
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Since I am a retired minister on pension, and married with children, I hesitate to reblog your site.
Nevertheless, I have followed similar paths as others who read and give comments. Religion is a human manufactured institution that has always been constructed by those who intend to control others by controlling their beliefs, including their worldview.
As far back as we look in history and archeology, religion has had the modus operandi. The chaotic morass of religious groups is one more example of the age-old story of the few conspiring to enslave the many.
So many well-meaning religious leaders have been trained to carry out programs of religious dogma, believing that it is the honest-to-God truth, when it is completely opposite to the teachings of a person like Jesus. Jesus has been mythologized to appear to be the one person of holy birth created by God. Yet Jesus quotes a psalm to ask, “Don’t you know that you are gods?”
The Bible is replete with evidence of events and sayings that have been wrongly misinterpreted, and/or intentionally twisted to support a doctrine manufactured by religious leaders. Religion and establishment history has hidden, distorted, and left out history to control beliefs and evidence of human origins for the purpose of controlling human self-understanding and its resulting expanded worldview.
My move away from active ministry had evolved. In retirement my research has reinforced most of what I have just stated.
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I would love to read more detail about the historical roots of Christian beliefs! What are some good resources?
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Would you consider it a fair comment to say that, if one truly wanted to try to be an actual follower or disciple of Jesus (not the Christ: that was an added title to move Jesus into the Greek pantheon, making him a god and distancing him from his Jewish roots) according to the demands he made in the gospels, one would first and foremost have to completely abandon one’s religion? Pushing this further, isn’t true that discipleship to Jesus entails total detachment from all the “things of earth” including one’s closest family? “If anyone would be my disciple and does not hate… and etc.” seems to say it clearly. So what are all those billions expecting when claiming to believe in “Christ” but completely failing in taking on the responsibilities that are commanded by Jesus? If they are “saved” as claimed, doesn’t that make Jesus out to be a liar and con artist?
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St. Francis of Assisi tried to put Jesus’ words into literal practice. He left his wealthy family and sold his possessions, went begging on the street and served the poor, etc.
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Every nation on earth knows there is a creator and a higher power than humans. Being ignorant of the Bible, never referencing any bible quote or passages can do so much damage to a small child that’s tough that if you do this or that your going to hell for the first 18 yrs of your life is so damaging that it’s irreversible. My brother and I were told this for 18 yrs growing up. My brother had to be put in a state mental hospital for 17 yrs because of ignorance of our simple minded mothers interpretation of the bible.He has since been released but suffers from agoraphobia and skitsophrenia to this day at age 57. He will be mentally ill for the rest of his life he truly believed that everything he did was going to send him to HELL.And my effects from the horrible beatings that came with it makes me have flash backs everytime I see my mother’s face. Being uneducated and ignorant is the culpret. But it has robbed me of my sence of humor, I cannot smile, and I had a personality that was magnetic when I was younger. So now after being in HELL in my entire childhood, marriage had erased all that because I stayed so busy working. After 11 yrs. of what truly was a wonderful marriage my wife that I loved and trusted had an affair and we had 2 small children. The perfect family so I thought. Now after all these years of mental trama I just want to be left alone, there is no such thing as a friend, loyalty, or love. It’s all about money, greed, selfishness, envy, and jealousy. Me and my brothers lives have been totally ruined by the abuse and selflessness of of others. My mother said that the harder she beat us the better off we would be later in life, so she didn’t stop until we were bleeding from our necks to our angles. It would take us 15 minutes to be able to walk. Then she would clean up the blood off the floor after we got up off the floor. This is a fragment of what we went through because of the misinterpretation of my mothers reading of the bible.
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Oh my goodness. I am so very sorry to hear of what you have been through!
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I am a Christian and my beliefs have never been motivated by fear. My dad is a minister, but non of that fury and hellfire preaching has ever been drilled into us, although I do believe that there is a hell. My brother and I were always free to talk to our dad about anything – no topic was ever banned or frowned upon if we wanted to discuss any questions that we had about it. However, at the age of 22, I was diagnosed with a very severe anxiety disorder and OCD, which was definitely caused by severe emotional trauma I endured due to circumstances that had nothing to do with religion, but the symptoms of the anxiety and OCD centered mostly around my religion and I experienced all the horrible symptoms of scrupulosity and religious OCD. I was put on medication, which took a very long time to work, but when it did I slowly started feeling much better. My mom and dad were there every step of the way, encouraging me to limit my Bible study and prayer time if I felt that it made me feel worse and that God, as a God of love, would understand it completely. I got through that time and could resume my normal relationship with Jesus, without feeling any guilt, since I know what happened to me is a very serious illness, just like “normal” health conditions such as diabetes or heart disease. I am aware that a lot of so-called Christian groups are misinterpreting the Bible and are teaching all kinds of nonsense as the truth and my heart goes out to every person that had to go through such an experience in that kind of background. Even with all the support I had, the experience was still hellish, so I can’t even begin to imagine what sufferers of religious OCD and Scrupulosity in these environments are going through, especially if they are not allowed to take medicine. I do believe that prayer is effective, but that God is not our Fairy Godmother or a genie that is to jump at our snapping our fingers. That’s not really what a God supposed to be, is it? Whenever someone tells me to just “pray it away,” I want to slap them, because although I know that God can work through prayer, He also gave us common sense and and brains to think scientifically. Whether God made the Earth in six days or over six billion years, with or without a Big Bang, He still made it and it is still a miracle. Genesis for example is actually written in poetry style and if you are are not going to take all circumstances around the writing of each book of the Bible into consideration, you are seriously going to misinterpret it and come up with cults and nonsense. Anyway, I could go on all day, since I am very passionate about this topic, but that’s my 5c and I sincerely hope that someone can find inspiration from this post and know they are not alone and that God does NOT condemn or blame you for symptoms from an illness you got.
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I love what you wrote. And your parents sound awesome; kudos to them.
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Thanks, Amy! They sure are!
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These are never easy topics.
Thank you for your contribution and writings.
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What you have to understand is that these pastors use what I understand as force persuasion one must look not at the indoctrination but the people themselves.Call them out on the carpet many charismatic pentecostals are using doctrine as a way to remain in abuse not free themselves of the abuse. One must look at the indoctrination anyone can use doctrine to control those who are following and twist the reasoning. For many live with their mind molded to these practices like branding a cow with a hot iron so the mental pain of removing themselves of their old religious identity becomes very painful.For me It was throwing away my bibles I had to literally take what I had used to keep me connected to the old religion to rid myself of crutches that supported the indoctrination not what supported me. It was a big step toward mental majority I hope those who choose to leave such churches find fulfillment everyday.Sometimes you may have toss your bible to begin a journey toward a better future.After all why argue for logic that isn’t for you anyway ? One example:I was shopping in a grocery store about a year later and suddenly an amazing feeling came over me;I thought it feels good to be just a nobody or just like anyone else I felt like I was me for the first time in my life.Leaving behind not just a church but way a of thinking.Brainwash is the result of forced persuasion what keeps people in this group is how a pastor forces a choice upon them by this it becomes branded onto their mind.How this works is through his position of authority albeit false assumption:a pastor uses Jesus as the ultimate authority to support his view of authority and if you don’t pay attention before they realize the people becomes hooked on this false authority like a drug.Just like a drug user and abuser everyone is getting hooked they becomes doctrine junkies.And become ever bit as aggressive as they need their fix just like those that use drugs.Just trying to help for me I still have my urges to go back to and get my fill of authority:Pastoral approval at one time I thought I couldn’t live without.Now I occasional critize those who lived like I did but I can relate the heartache of such a lifestyle.True there is freedom from such indoctrination, freedom to be who I want to be Everyday.
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The existence of a Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS) is often denied by true believers and others who support religious beliefs and think that religious faith is good for humanity.
But the RTS is, indeed, for real. Many tears have been shed because of that sort of traumas.
So, please, read Valerie Tarico’s take on this important topic very carefully.
Also read Marlene Winell’s take (in three parts) on that same subject on the Ex-Christian blog:
Part 1 = http://new.exchristian.net/2011/06/religious-trauma-syndrome-its-time-to.html .
Part 2 = http://new.exchristian.net/2011/07/understanding-religious-trauma-syndrome.html .
Part 3 = http://new.exchristian.net/2011/11/trauma-from-leaving-religion.html
It’s not going to extremes calling religion a poisonous method that obstructs and complicates people’s endeavours to find a high quality of life. It also hinders you from becoming a really “free” thinker, one who is allowed to study any books s/he likes.
Many philosophers, politicians and scientists have expressed their gloomy ideas of religion and its future.
For example, Karl Marx said: “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people”.
Frederick II once said: “Religion is the idol of the mob; it adores everything it does not understand”.
Napoleon Bonaparte said: “Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich”.
Friedrich Nietzsche said. “In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point”.
He also said: “The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad”.
Albert Einstein (who didn’t believe in any personal God of the Abrahamic kind) said. Science without religion is lame, [but] religion without science is [also] blind.
At the same time he also said: “The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity”.
If Albert Einstein had been alive today, I think he would have stated: Things about religion seemingly have to become worse before they at last can be transformed to a non-poisonous life philosophy. There is still a very long way to go for today’s religions all around the world.
BTW, talking of promoting science and reason, have a look at this blog post: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/about-thinking/201510/what-can-we-learn-ben-carsons-brain .
From that blog post we learn that, unfortunately,neither intelligence nor (high) education is able to promote ‘good thinking’.
And finally, my own take on this:
Religious cults are nowadays mostly confined to having to rely on ‘God of the Gaps’ arguments. The primary goal for today’s cult leaders has become to try to convince their ignorant and incredulous followers that science is, always, wrong, meaning that it’s, also always, better to believe in what holy scriptures like the Bible and Koran say is the truth. That strategy is also known as intellectual dishonesty.
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I am still a believer of Christ, but not in the way my mom taught me when I was a child. She would tell me that one day, all humans would be micro-chipped in their hand and/or forehead…This would be the only way to buy, sell, or trade. Okay, Revelations…But It was the potential things that she would describe to me that traumatized me my whole life. Watching my children and husband begging me to save them or be decapitated by the government if I admitted I was a Christian. Having to choose between my family or admitting my faith in God….And I better not have chosen to lie! Or, as she would say, I would suffer in Hell “…Where the worm shall dieth naught…”
I suffered many years from her visuals about how Revelations would play out and how it would affect my loved ones and me.
I learned, instead, to believe in a kind God who is forgiving, loving, and not desiring his children to suffer for their beliefs. I am 35 now and it took me many, many years to realize that the true God loves us and does not want us to suffer to prove we love him. The real God does not need that type of validation like a social network fledgling. This took me many years to overcome, so I know the struggle is real to change fundamentalist thinking that nothing you do is right and you will be “left behind” to suffer.
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Over mensen die lijden aan Religieus Trauma Syndroom:
Aren’t these just people who would be depressed, anxious, or obsessive anyways?
Winell: Not at all. If my observation is correct, these are people who are intense and involved and caring. They hang on to the religion longer than those who simply “walk away” because they try to make it work even when they have doubts. Sometime this is out of fear, but often it is out of devotion. These are people for whom ethics, integrity and compassion matter a great deal. I find that when they get better and rebuild their lives, they are wonderfully creative and energetic about new things.
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I need help with this so bad. Raised as a JW, I have not been able to move past it…. drowning my “failure and sins” in drugs and alcohol …. destroying my family slowly…. constantly meditating on suicide. I cannot seem to function in the real world. Holidays, birthdays, and many things that most people would probably never even think twice about….. do nothing but haunt me with guilt and push me further into this hole I feel stuck in. I feel like I dug the hole though…. which just keeps my downward spiral alive. This self judgement and hopelessness has pervaded every corner of my life and leaves me genuinely walking the earth everyday feeling like I’m on death row.
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You are so not alone. ExChristian.net has hundreds (probably thousands) of testimonials from people like you and me who are climbing back out of the black hole–which is hard as you know, but possible with support and help. Marlene Winell, who is a human development consultant in California, has a skype therapy/support group that meets regularly and that might be a fit for you. RecoveringFromReligion also had a secular therapist referral network that may still be active.
Sometimes the toll is big enough that some kind of medication is really helpful in getting neurotransmitters functioning again so that there’s enough energy and hope to do the work of healing.
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Hi Philip. Please read my comment posted on Jan. 4 2016 on this site. I have only been out of the Watchtower two years. Only in the last month have I started to find relief. Read the book Exiting the JW Cult. Excellent book written by a former witness who is now a psychologist. I hope things improve for you. Share your thoughts here.
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Ideas have consequences, otherwise there’d be no push to convince people that some are more right than others. There is no blanket condemnation of religion when noting that some iterations of it lead to severe harm. There is much work still to be done in removing the sanctity from particular ideas and allowing the space in society for people to find healing from authoritarian fundamentalism. My story coming out is only one among many: http://lifeweavings.org/2015/03/06/my-journey-from-faith-to-freedom/
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This is hands down the best, most loving, helpful, rational article of wisdom I have ever read. Thank you. Thank you. Love joy happiness, and I hope life brings you an abundance of love.
Brian
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I have never read anything in my life that more perfectly describes my struggle and journey in this fucked up life I lead.
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37 years of this in my life. By faith not works. Wait….is faith a work. How do i faith. Thinking my whole life most people i Love are going to burn eternally. And most the time i am going to burn to. Because i didnt have enough of the faith to lose friendships by telling them. God loves me but he is my enemy i am going to burn because i have evil desires. And may have told a white lie once. Want is evil. Funny its imposible to not want for me. 666 the antichrist satan hell terrified life.
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Dear Dana
Please see my reply to Heidi below.
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Had a scary weird dream that so.ethimg evil came over me or was in me and I couldn’t think normal and felt like not attached to myself like someone else so weird . Now I just am worrying that what if demon take over me and thoughts or something and scary .can that happen . Afraid and feel like maybe something takin over me and I feel lost within self . Just feel weird after I remember I dream and then started to look up info on demons taking over the mind and got worked up .I feel disconnected from self in way and not grounded .
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Dear Heidi
I don’t know whether you read my summary (above) of my own journey. Please believe me when I say that I know EXACTLY what you are experiencing. I would highly recommend that you go see a psychiatrist ASAP, as what you are describing sounds very much like what is referred to as “Religious OCD” coupled with anxiety. Please know that what you are experiencing is NOT YOU. It is symptoms of a disease that is way more common than you think. People are often too ashamed to talk about what they experience when it comes to this type of OCD – abnormal sexual persistent thoughts (when I say abnormal I mean stuff like sex with the devil, Jesus, etc – these thoughts are of course totally unwanted and very frightening), an overwhelming and debilitating fear of going to hell and of being possessed by an evil spirit, remembering every little thing you did wrong since you were five years old etc. I have experienced all of the above and I cannot urge you enough to get medical help. Please also read my previous comment of how I approached my religion during this time.
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omg. i don’t know other people suffer the same. but instead of scared of hell, i’m scared to death to religion. could go away from the country/village help?
i don’t say i don’t believe god, i just want to live the life i want. i envy of american and european that live their life to the fullest. now i’m scared to death that i’m thinking to suicide because of that stress. espeacialy the fact that more and more extreem religious people. i’m muslim but having no interest on being very religious, it’s not like i have a choice. and i wanna know how to solve this problem.
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What a horrible situation to be in! You should know that there are many, many people like you carrying their lack of interest or lack of belief in Islam as a heavy secret, afraid of being found out. In Britain and American, there are councils and organizations of former Muslims despite the threats. Please know you are not alone.
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Thank you for posting this! I really had a hard time figuring out how to recover from a traumatic experience I had with an abusive husband telling me everyday that I had to swear by the holy spirit that I wasn’t lying to him …and if I was lying about anything,( because I swore not to lie) I was committing blasphemy against the holy spirit.. and that particular sin didn’t have forgiveness from God. I lived 13 years thinking I was going to hell because I had blasphemy against the holy spirit. There were things about my past I couldn’t tell him ( he could never handle the truth) and that I had to hide… So for that reason I lived many years traumatized. Until I divorced him and started a new life, a new beginning. There are times that I still wonder.. It’s just hard to recover from deep wounds.
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Omg how crazy-making!
I empathize with your experience and wish you blessings on your continued recovery
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My mother is probably one of the most arse-backwards people I’ve ever been cursed to know when it comes to religion. She’s flip-flopped back and forth between being Jewish and Christian. At the “tender” age of 13 she forced me to lie to a priest and tell him that I wanted to be baptized. The old man even knew I didn’t want to and said that it was ok……but nooooo-ho ho….I had to say yes…..because “Mommy Dearest” threatened to drag me to the old nutter Ernest Angley and make him do it. ( She knew that the man terrifies me )
So…here Iam 25, struggling to get a job so I can LEAVE and this woman comes into my bedroom at 1am….saying outta the blue that she’s marrying a Rabbi and if I dont go with them….Im gonna go to hell and be raped. THANKS RELIGION! *flips table*
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My ex . Had been mentally manipulating my kids aginst me for years. Threatening more so my boy.if he didnt do sick things to mum.. wipe poo on walls to be naughty for mum.. (when tried to tel authorities. An d doors closed upon us) it all got soo bad I cracked in the direction of my kids doing something. .I never thought possible to them..then he got me charged. Making out I the perpetrator. . The law didnt know. . We had years of this torcher. . Useing my kids ..ti do this. . My girl told to look crossed eyed at the celing ..to not listen to mum to not eat mums food to spit it out..to wipe pheiseis on the walls.. the kids were brainwashed into doing this to mum. . I tried to protect
them aginst this. . The threats got worse I fellt myself almost going into trauma in dispare.. comments made to the kids. . Telling my son he wil die. . He was going to burn our house . Mum going into dispare.. then mentally cracked.. in the direction of the mist beutiful important people in mums life.. the law.. think mum is mental.. due to years of this (almost the boy to) a very plausable man to the authorities. . Manipulating and smoothtalked all against us.. kids now.. placed with purpritrator. A mum that is stil in dispare. . For no one beliving this years of the case..how can a mum.. get stronger. To assure others this the case.. how can a person cause soo much destruction! !? What advise can a mum give ..so children can protect themselfs against.. any sites?
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That sounds horrible. I don’t think it’s about religion, but I wonder if you might be able to find more sympathetic authorities in your area.
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Thank you for your research and information I was raised around the LDS cult by the she of 11 I knew it was a sectarian control cult.
Latter in life I gained enough information to leave.
I am now considered an Atheist.
thank you
John cunningham
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what kind of therapy is used? i feel as though ive been experiencing this for the last few years, although having grown up in a christian family, nothing was ever really push or forced on me, and even if it was, at the time i would have easily brushed it off, but a few years back, i went through a tramatizing experience of losing a loved one. i wasnt able to make cohirent sentances, and basically lost my mind. i started to do cbt work to heal from the pain, but i feel as though i even too it a few steps further and started to use it for religion as well. i started reading everything and everything i could get my hands on, from buddhism to christianity. well idk what happend, but i started to really feed into it seeing as my whole life i had been fasinated by it, i started to experience things from the bible itself, and i felt like i had gone up into the heavens and was walking with angels and god itself. well the experience only lasted me a few months, and now i feel as though ive been fully indoctrinated. i have trouble making contious decisions. i dont know who i am at all, and i constanly worry im doing everything wrong, all the time. i even feel like im wrong to come here cause by coming here is basically speaking up and out against religion itself, and pining people against one another, against my family who for some reason is still able to function in life without guilt fear or shame, does so just fine, and still believes, but for me, i feel as though im always wrong. i feel like i am unable to do anything at all without feeling guilt. i feel as though im evil incarnent cause the bible would say so. i have this fear of not being able to do anything without god, and that if i do anything, it must be under god. my family believes, goes to church from time to time, but its like i was indoctinated into something else that was masked as christianity. i constantly feel as though i should kill myself cause im talking down on god and religion, and talking down on my family, but they are able to live still believing, and still living a worldly kind of life, while i feel guilty if i do or say anything. i feel like im blasphomis. i feel a deep compassion for everything, and that is why i always put myself below everything else, but i feel like im in hell itself. its like i learned to take everything as literal as it could be taken, and its left me not able to function on my own at all without fear of pursecutuion. ive become affraid to disobey. its this constant feeling that god is going to destroy me if i dont destroy myself first. its a feeling of being unclean and unworthy of happiness and life.
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Hi Chris –
What a nightmare. I think I might start by returning to the therapist who works with you on CBT if that person was a good fit. You might even simply print and share this comment. Alternately, you might call the Recovering from Religion hotline and see if they can suggest anyone in your area.
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I can relate to religious trauma for sure. the forms of Christianity I was raised in were generally traumatic to me, and I and my family experienced multiple abuses commited by these groups. Both spiritual abuse (which in my opinion can be the most damaging, because it’s so non-concrete yet informs the psyche and entire existence including existence in the next life too. And God is so invisible yet all-powerful. If the abuse is perceived as coming from “him” or in “his” name, one can never escape.)
Human distortion of spiritual wisdom is the real problem. Not religion per se.
ANYTHING can be distorted and become a tool of abuse and control. Politics, power, religion, even “science”—as in using science to perpetuate racism, or genocide as with the Nazis.
It’s analogous to using the computers or the internet. The potential for exponential good exists, or exponentially devastation, destruction, and evil.
I’m glad finally the evil uses of religion are being recognized. But for those who relegate a spiritual path to the garbage heap—I think this view is very-shortsighted. Religion has been behind great good and great evil in civilization. The humans wielding it as a weapon, and the conditions that allow this to happen are the problem. It’s not always the religion that’s the problem.
My two cents for the Christians who still believe their religion and want to follow it: research the historical Jesus, the context of those times, and the various forms and versions of the Christian scriptures. The picture that will emerge is not the one that exists 2000 years later. There is a lot of historical human bullshit that has distorted whomever Jesus was and/or was not.
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Very wise words!
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Truth is not a “force” that can be wielded for good or moral evil. Truth is truth. The “force” is not truth and no matter how it is wielded, at root it is false. Truth exists and has always existed and is found in God-breathed scripture; the bible. This is the plum line, the true measure in a world that is becoming increasingly dark and given over to myths & superstition.
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The first part of your sentence is “right on” — Truth exists and has always existed, But unfortunately, you lose credibility with the last part: … and is found in God-breathed scripture; the bible.
Truth is “that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.” The bible contains neither.
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I like what you are saying Nan even if I myself find a great many truths in Scripture, and many things I fear and dislike as well.
But stay in the discourse.
Treat the Bible as literature, a repository of legend and myth; a resource for everyone who enjoys storytelling; everyone who sees the moral and emotional need for stories.
You can’t understand Shakespeare without some knowledge of the Bible.
Listen to Rene Girard on YouTube, asking ‘Is Christianity a myth?’
Check out Karl Barth and find out why his faith enabled him to stand out against Hitler’s Germany.
Read John Henry Newman’s Apologia Pro Vita Sua, one of the great confessional works in the English language. .
Try Simone Weil’s Waiting On God, and watch some of the YouTube documentaries on her.
It looks as if religion will play an important role in the 21st Century.
There is bad religion as well as good religion – as Ninian Smart observed.
I hope fundamentalism is in its death agonies, but who can know the wreckage it will leave behind?
We need peacemakers, moderates, sceptics… and stand-up comedians who can take on the religious authoritarians and make them look like the dangerous fools they are.
We need informed critics such as yourself and Valerie.
J Haggerty
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My perents are extreamist in christianity…and I can’t have a normal relationship with them sense I pulled out of Christianity…now they’re always hinting I need to get right with God before it’s to late and I’ll perish for eternity if I don’t get my act together…even when I was going through Christianity. I never felt good enough. And our sad crappy preacher always told me what I wanted to hear. Besides the hell for eternity part. Everything was the same. Everything f was bullshit. I tried so hard to be someone I couldn’t be. I tried so hard to believe. I forced myself when I prayed. Every time I cried I thought it was the Holy Spirit. When it was my mental mind. Ever sense I’ve been paranoid with loud noises and trucks that vibrate the house when they drive by. Thinking armegeddon is happening. Sometimes I even think I hear trumpets go off. Everyday I wake up thinking I might go to hell for eternity. And never see my beautiful wife again. While the people that torture me in my head and that call themselves followers and disciples of Jesus live in Paradise. While they told their son. Their only son they have. Me. I’m going to burn if I don’t get my act straight….I suffer from RTS. And I’m terrified everyday. I try to find ease and comfort when I can’t. I try to stay calm and believe what I want to believe. That after all of this. There has to be something bigger and better and something non of us would of ever thought. Or maybe nothing at all…….75% of my days sense 2015 has been hell everyday for me…I want it to go away.
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I know this is an older article, but if my comment helps anyone, then it is worth putting it here.
I have only been out of the Watchtower for about two years. Until very recently, your articles would anger me. I had been in the Watchtower for 44 years of my life. Being a born in, it was all I knew, and I was an ultra-witness/elder.
For nearly two years, I searched for Bible answers. I even met with a small church that believed similar to the Watchtower. Yet, I could not find happiness and contentment. I just couldn’t figure it out. Then just recently, the problem became apparent. It was this: No matter what I did, it reminded me of the Watchtower, including the reading of the Bible. I was searching for the “certainty” that the Watchtower made you feel. But that “certainty” does not exist. Even when I drew my own conclusions, I knew that I can’t possibly know for certain. So the question was this: Will I live out my life miserably looking for answers that I can’t really find? Will I continually be reminded of the Watchtower until I die? Then the big question hit: Am I so convinced that I am right, that I am willing to die or perhaps be tortured for what I believe? The answer to that, is absolutely not.
It is so easy to be a Christian when you are sitting in a comfortable chair in front of a fireplace at home. But it is quite another thing, when ISIS is taking your head off. I simply could not go from the “certainty” of the Watchtower, to sacrificing my life based on “uncertainty”.
But now I get to my real point. When you are a born in, your life only began the day you escape from the Watchtower. I realized that I was only born two years ago. I never made any of life’s most important decisions on my own. So in order to find the real person, you need to let go of it ALL. It is vital that as a born in, you do this. It is the only way to heal.
I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, thought I would be here today, saying this. But it is the only logical conclusion.
It is a very slow, natural, gradual move I have made. It was not forced. I desperately tried to make the other work, but it just could not happen. It may seem difficult, but when you begin to analyze why you are not happy after leaving the Watchtower, you can make the move. Once I decided to let go of EVERYTHING, I found a tremendous peace of mind along with freedom.
I never thought I would say thanks for your articles, but I now appreciate what you are saying. Thanks again.
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After two years of intensive therapy, transference and countertransference occurred… my therapist took it upon herself to do all in her power to force her religious beliefs on me… she scared me so much… used to trap me in a corner of the therapy room, going on and on and on… I’d shut down completely, because it was more than I could bear. She has totally changed my religious worldview and taken away my trust and belief that was once so precious and natural to me… I believe that I have ever since struggled with “Religious Trauma Syndrome”… only now I have a name for it. As an adult survivor of severe childhood abuses, all my life, I felt as though I didn’t belong… her actions have added to that sense of not belonging… I still go to church occasionally, trying to recapture what is lost… Where did my belief go… have I hidden what was sacred to me deep inside, to protect it… I cannot face the ugliness and destructiveness of the fantastical religions as I have seen them in action anymore… Christians so often kill their own wounded… where is the love… where is the love…
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I started to self-injure… I was suicidal… it took a lot to surface from what she did to me… it took a lot to live on…
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I really liked what u had to say about religious abuse. I was really affected by some evangilicol spiritual warfare churches. I feel like my body has changed. I am not able to see holistic healers without some kind of negative consequence. And my main symptoms are being suffocates at night. Since I went to a Christian healer who stated I know have the Holy Spirit with me because I am borne again I have been suffocated every night for 4 years. I had a lot of miracle physical healings but it came with a cost. I have dissasociative disorder now because I have had such weird reactions with demons and the spititual warfare community. Do you know of anyone who can help me to get my body and mind back to order. I have been brainwashed? Thanks for u r wonderful article and for giving me hopen
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Thank You for your article addressing this misunderstood problem. I was raised by a very demanding, older and very strict fundamentalist mother. I was not allowed to experience a normal life, was not allowed to go anywhere, do anything that other children my age did. I was a very intelligent child but as I got older & realized I was so different than others, my interest in school paled in comparison to my feelings of being someone who everyone looked at as different. I was not allowed to wear shorts, pants, cut my hair, wear makeup, have my own room, go to movies, no TV, music,have dates (without they attended my church), have a Christmas tree….on and on. When I graduated from high school and got a job, I still had to live by those rules. I met a guy at work and after sneaking out to meet him one night, my mom was going to punish me, I ran out of the house and went to live with him. I never intended to marry but for whatever reasons I did. I had no idea what the real world was like & made a decision one day that changed my life forever. I am now what you would consider middle age and there is not one day since then that I have not hated myself for the decision I made in ignorance and being scared. I knew to a certain extent it was wrong but due to my limited exposure to the world, I did not realize the full extent of my actions. No one would understand that hasn’t been through this kind of life so therefore I have never talked to anyone about it. I married a good man and have had a good life however, the teachings I had as a child have impacted my entire life.
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I am SO happy to finally find an official term for my dysfunction.
At the of seven, my parents jumped into Catholithism with their all, and pulled my two sisters and I into the depths along with them.
Now, at the age of 48, I am trying to overcome my damaged self. Still trying to find my self worth and wondering if I’ll ever feel as a whole, normal, and functioning being.
Thank you, for this!!!
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Ihave had a mental illness since I was 15. I had an abusive childhood and my first breakdown was caused by a religious uncle who would scream and yell at me while I visited him then.Everytime since I would associate myself with Christianity since that visit would trigger off a psychotic breakdown.I first made the connection in 1986 that my association with Christianity would cause me to become mentally ill.I found this hard to accept but I knew it was true yet couldn’t understand a thing about it.My last breakdown was in 1993 and I have had none since.Im still terrified by hell and the endtimes stuff yet I still believe there’s a God but I don’t know what to believe about him anymore.Ive learned a lot since I first relised all of this and I’ve always wanted to obey God but at times I’ve found it near impossible.All I know is and for years I thought I was the only one, is that Christianity churches or whatever causes mental illness,over the years and and especially at first I thought I could have been wrong about this but I kept and continue to come to this same conclusion that Christianity causes mental illness well at least in me and I always.wondered if there was anyone else going through this. I’ve always tried to get help with this without any sucess can anyone help me now?
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I’m drowning in tears as I read this article. I’ve never been able to explain what’s wrong with me. Thank You
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I’m very glad you found it!
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I did not see A Thief in the Night but I saw Burning Hell as a young Christian and i was terrified🤤!!! Images of people burning in hell, the various beasts, etc from the Book of Revelations. I too was afraid if I said a curse word, went to the movies, etc I would end up in this hell. And there was no one to talk to about my fears.
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Please help !! I’m 46 year old male with Parental (mother) Pentecostal Narcissistic attributes,I’m also been affected by this …and it’s been a excruciating experience as I text this…. ranging from tinnitus , severe insomnia, already in poverty, and others…I dont have a profound academic background, just wish to find a much healthier approach to leaving the Religious fundamentalist mindset, especially in island filled with small emotional religisou narcissistic communities…thanks
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I was chatting with my seat mate on a plane to LA a few weeks ago, and the topic of kids came up. I asked if he and his wife had any, and he said, “No; no we don’t.” My immediate response was, “Good for you.” He was stunned that I took that attitude (I have 4 kids myself). “No one has ever said that to me,” he replied. “Everyone always like looks down on us because we’ve decided not to have kids. Like somehow we’re not contributing to society.”
I think this describes a good portion of the pain experienced by people with RTS (and goes to show that RTS isn’t solely a religious problem – its a humanity problem). No one in their life has ever, not even once, validated their existence for who they are. Valued them and their choices, their right to independence and self determination. People in fundamentalist cultures are always told 1.) that they need to change, 2.) why they need to change, and 3.) how they need to change. It’s provided in a rigid, static formula, and deviation from that formula is tantamount to heresy. While I think everyone at their core understands and agrees with #1, secular humanists and atheists alike, it’s the why and the how that traps people. I believe in the Bible, I believe in the message of Jesus, and for some people reading this that immediately discredits me. Thats ok. But if you take the message of the Bible in context and in its entirety, one finds a very different world from the one fundamentalists preach. Sin doesn’t matter for people who trust in Jesus; your person and who you are is both valued and valuable to God, who is like a loving Father, or Mother, or friend, or mentor (he characterizes himself as all of those things). His love for you is not static or dependent upon how much you do for him or how much you change, but is entirely dependent on him. Read your bible, don’t read your bible. Go to church every Sunday, go to church once a year. Pray for three hours every morning, or simply say “God help me,” when you need him most. The faith and trust in him to do what he says, namely, to make us better than we are today, is all we need. Believing that he can do it is the only pre-requisite. “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
My son has autism and OCD and fundamentalist religion had been destroying him for the last 10 years. I was part of that once, trying to force him into the mold of what I was being told he was supposed to be. But it hit me one day: this is ruining him – maybe it’s not him? Maybe it’s what we’re being taught, maybe it’s the worldview we’ve bought into. I started asking questions, reading the Bible more and becoming more and more skeptical, until all I ever did was argue with church leaders. In their eyes, my son was a model believer because of his piety and penitence; but I saw the havoc it wreaked on his being, on his self worth. I have to constantly now, even though we’ve been out of that environment for 2 years, remind him that he is valuable just as he is, that trusting in God means letting go of all of this striving and trying hard to do good and to be a good person, that we can just be who we are, loving and caring people who “love their neighbors the way they love themselves”. We can relax and enjoy all life has to offer, free of guilt, because Jesus took care of any deficiency we had when he died. And when we do something stupid, or say something mean, or act selfishly, we acknowledge it and do our best to make it right, but we don’t need to stress about it. There is (supposed to be) immense freedom in the Christian life, freedom from religion, freedom from sin or wrongdoing, freedom from guilt, and freedom to do right by ourselves and others.
The Bible describes Christians as having a “peace that passes all understanding”, peace when it doesn’t even make sense to have peace, because it doesn’t come from other people, from circumstance, or even from ourselves. It comes from knowing that we’re ok because the person who made everything, including us, says we’re ok. He says he’ll make everything right. It might not be right now, it might not be tomorrow, next week, next year, or even in my lifetime. But he’ll make it right. No more need to control people or situations, because he’ll make it right. I still do the best that I can, but I don’t let others dictate what that best looks like. If you’re in a fundamentalist Christian cult and you don’t have this peace, there isn’t something wrong with you, there’s something wrong with the people around you and what they’re teaching you.
My heart breaks over all these stories, and I’m so glad so many people have found relief from leaving oppressive religious groups. Don’t go back or feel guilty for leaving them. You did the absolute right thing. You may be triggered by Christian music, or church services, or certain “Christian” lingo or churchspeak – avoid it, or do your best to detach emotionally from it. Figure out who you are – what kind of person do you want to be? What are your natural likes/dislikes? Are you an introvert? Don’t let extroverts tell you you’re weird! Do you like to read fiction? Watch dystopian sci-fi? Do you hate reading? Don’t let others tell you who you have to be, or that you’re a bad person or less valuable because of the things that make you you. Just keep in mind that, despite what was modeled to you, Jesus really does love you for who you are, where you are.
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I always had doubts, based on my childhood Infinite Regress question that I was ordered to NEVER ask, by my mother.
The Thief in the Night movie inspired my preteen fear and adherence to Christian theology.
My curiosity and desire to ask scientific questions was quelled because of the fear of going to the Christian hell, which my current antitheist self not knows is as plausible as being my consciousness being stuck in a never-ending DMV line, after the inevitable death of my physical body.
I commend this necessary RTS healing!
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